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    remember awhile back in another thread when you said it would be a DUMB idea for Republicans to turn down any of the money from the stimulus package?

    BATON ROUGE, La. – A handful of Republican governors are considering turning down some money from the federal stimulus package, a move opponents say puts conservative ideology ahead of the needs of constituents struggling with record foreclosures and soaring unemployment.

    Though none has outright rejected the money available for education, health care and infrastructure, the governors of Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alaska, South Carolina and Idaho have all questioned whether the $787 billion bill signed into law this week will even help the economy.

    "My concern is there's going to be commitments attached to it that are a mile long," said Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who considered rejecting some of the money but decided Wednesday to accept it. "We need the freedom to pick and choose. And we need the freedom to say 'No thanks.'"

    U.S. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the No. 3 House Democrat, said the governors — some of whom are said to be eyeing White House bids in 2012 — are putting their own interests first.

    "No community or constituent should be denied recovery assistance due to their governor's political ideology or political aspirations," Clyburn said Wednesday.

    In fact, governors who reject some of the stimulus aid may find themselves overridden by their own legislatures because of language Clyburn included in the bill that allows lawmakers to accept the federal money even if their governors object.

    He inserted the provision based on the early and vocal opposition to the stimulus plan by South Carolina's Republican governor, Mark Sanford. But it also means governors like Sanford and Louisiana's Bobby Jindal — a GOP up-and-comer often mentioned as a potential 2012 presidential candidate — can burnish their conservative credentials, knowing all the while that their legislatures can accept the money anyway.

    Jindal said he, like Perry and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, is concerned about strings attached to the money even though his state faces a $1.7 billion budget shortfall next year.

    Barbour spokesman Dan Turner, for example, cited concerns that accepting unemployment money from the stimulus package would force states to pay benefits to people who wouldn't meet state requirements to receive them.

    In Idaho, Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter said he wasn't interested in stimulus money that would expand programs and boost the state's costs in future years when the federal dollars disappear — a worry also cited by Jindal and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

    A spokesman said Sanford, the new head of the Republican Governors Association, is looking at the stimulus bill to figure out how much of it he can control.

    "We're going through a 1,200-page bill to determine what our options are," Spokesman Joel Sawyer said. "From there, we'll make decisions."

    But state Democratic Party chairwoman Carol Fowler says Sanford's hesitation is driven by his political ambition rather than the best interests of a state that had the nation's third-highest unemployment rate in December.

    "He's so ideological," Fowler said. "He would rather South Carolina do without jobs than take that money, and I think he's looking for a way not to take it."

    Not all Republican governors are reticent about using the federal cash.

    Florida Gov. Charlie Crist lobbied for the stimulus plan and Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue has embraced it as he looks to close a $2.6 billion deficit in the state's budget this year. Alabama Gov. Bob Riley has already figured the money into his state's budget.

    Pearson Cross, a political scientist at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, said fiscally conservative governors may be able to give themselves political cover by turning down small portions of the stimulus money, like health care dollars requiring a state match, that they might not fully use anyway.

    But in the end, he said, they will likely take most of the available money because their states need it so badly.

    "Ideology usually takes second place for governors," he said. "And that's going to mean that most governors are going to go ahead and take the money even though they have misgivings about it."

    ___

    Associated Press writers Seanna Adcox, Mary Clare Jalonick, Shannon McCaffrey, John Miller, Emily Wagster Pettus, Phillip Rawls, Anne Sutton and Jim Vertuno contributed to this report.
    Some Republican governors consider turning down the money.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    More for the rest of us? Ok.
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    • #3
      That is one way of looking at it!

      Of course, these Republican governors who SAY they are going to decline the money could just be merely posturing and hence, all talk but no walk. I'd be surprise if they really follow through and put their money where their mouths are, considering their professed loyalty to their voters in their respective states. The voters pretty much realize that they need much of what the stimulus package has to offer.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #4
        Is this posturing by Congressional and statehous Republicans actually working? Anyone here at Poly trying to answer that question please cite sources as to Republican goals and what measure(s) is used to devine progress.
        No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
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        • #5
          Where the hell is DanS these days anyway?
          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #6
            Can we use this thread to start a pool for how soon we'll see a "Let The Good Times Roll" thread?
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            • #7
              It's a dumb argument. The porkulus has a ton of unfunded mandates. The states would be better not taking anything, unless they are California.
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              • #8
                BK had to post in my thread.
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #9
                  BK, do you think the mandates in the package won't apply if the Governor doesn't take the money? This would be incorrect. These mandates and structural fiscal redistributions apply whether or not the Governors take the money also in the bill. A meme running through some traditionally democratic circles (e.g., unions and social workers) is that "the Repubs really don't care about people making the median wage or less. Therefore, they take their suddenly conservative fiscal stand at the expense of their own constituents because they don't care about them." The "suddenly" part refers to Bush tripling the national debt in just 8 years. Not fiscally conservative by any measure.
                  No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
                  "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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                  • #10
                    Don't talk to BK. Trust me, it's a bad idea.

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                    • #11
                      In the sig, Kuci. Put it in the sig, with detail.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Asher View Post
                        Can we use this thread to start a pool for how soon we'll see a "Let The Good Times Roll" thread?
                        I was looking for the "Irving Fisher sound-alike" threads yesterday,
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                        • #13
                          I guess DanS turned his nose up to this thread.
                          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                          • #14
                            He's too busy rolling in the good times.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              He knows that this is just bull**** political posturing. They're going to take the money, after having made some show of resisting. Hah.

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