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    We need to smash those pagan idols!

    (Or not)

    Why on Earth would a leader try to fracture religious unity? Look through history -- it's a no-no.



    JANUARY 23, 2009

    Churches Oppose President in Bolivia Referendum

    SANTA CRUZ, BOLIVIA -- A television ad that has aired around the country opens with a photo of Bolivia's leftist President Evo Morales dressed in the garb of a traditional shaman. An image of Jesus Christ arrives to knock Mr. Morales off the screen, and a document labeled "New Constitution" appears amid flames. "Choose God. Vote No," the ad advises.

    The ad, funded by an evangelical church based in this stronghold of the political opposition, points up how religion is playing a growing role in the latest chapter of Bolivia's sometimes bloody fight over a new constitution, which is up for a national referendum on Sunday.

    The religious fight marks a deepening of the country's political split under Mr. Morales, an Aymara Indian who leads the ruling party, the Movement to Socialism. The conflict has pitted poor, heavily indigenous western areas where Mr. Morales is revered against whites and mixed-race mestizos in the natural gas-rich tropical lowlands. More than a dozen people have died in clashes related to the constitutional text.

    If approved, Bolvia's constitution would allow Mr. Morales, elected in 2005, to seek a second consecutive five-year term, reshape congress, and extend the state's power -- marking a victory for the strongly anti-American leader who recently expelled the U.S. ambassador, nationalized the country's energy supplies, and whose key patron is Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez.

    In both Venezuela and neighboring Ecuador, leftist leaders have used referendums as ways to consolidate power and mold their countries along populist lines. Incoming secretary of state Hillary Clinton promised "tough and direct" diplomacy in the region "in response to the fear-mongering propagated by Hugo Chávez and Evo Morales."

    Others have compared Mr. Morales to South Africa's Nelson Mandela for bringing a Bolivia's long-suffering indigenous majority into power.

    At the heart of the latest controversy is the new constitution's stated goal of "refounding" Bolivia as a socially-just state guided by indigenous beliefs -- including elevating the Andean earth deity Pachamama to the same stature as Christianity's God. It would recognize broad new rights for Bolivia's Indians, termed "original indigenous peasant peoples" in the document, and demand "decolonization" of all aspects of society. Bolivia's current constitution allows for freedom of religion but specifies Roman Catholicism as the sole state religion.

    For Christians, whose faith arrived in Bolivia along with Spanish Conquistadors almost 500 years ago, the fight is over fundamental values, which they say the new constitution tramples on, and replaces with ultra-liberal, atheist concepts or worse, those of indigenous religions. They say the constitution appears to open the door to abortion and gay marriage, although it doesn't speak directly to either issue.

    The Catholic Church hoped the constitution would define life as beginning at conception, and marriage as being between a man and a woman. The text doesn't offer a clear definition on either point, instead offering broad pronouncements such as one that "guarantees the exercise of sexual and reproductive rights," language that has religious groups worried.

    "One of the problems with the constitution is that it's full of ambiguity," says Robert Flock, vicar general of the Santa Cruz archdiocese. That means who is in power is likely to matter more than what the text actually says, church leaders fear.

    For leaders of the political opposition, Christianity is a powerful uniting thread. This year, several lowland states voted for autonomy, a development that shook Mr. Morales's government.

    "Paganism versus Christianity is the situation we are in," says Rev. Rolando Hurtado, president of the Santa Cruz-based church, Iglesia Cristiana de la Familia, that funded the recent ads.

    The Catholic Church disavowed the evangelical ads, but followed with its own detailed critique of the constitution, handed out as bullet points after mass in cities around Bolivia this week. While praising Mr. Morales's focus on the poor, it raised concerns about his effort to concentrate power.

    Mr. Morales's party asserts the opposition's true aim is to protect their economic interests. Gabriela Montaño Viaña, the presidential representative in Santa Cruz, calls the religious campaign a new opposition strategy, adding, "It was so disrespectful that it lost credibility."

    The constitution "could open the door to a civil law allowing homosexual marriage if there was a public will to do that," she said.

    In a country that is officially 97.5% Christian, the stance of church leaders carries significant weight. So much so that on Sunday Mr. Morales -- who has actively promoted indigenous beliefs, including appointing traditional medicine men to his government -- publicly declared himself a Catholic, though saying he believes "quite a bit" in Pachamama.

    At the same time, the president has sought political traction by deepening the conflict with the church. During the last few days, Mr. Morales has called on the Vatican to halt the "attacks" and at a rally on Thursday accused church leaders of lying to the Bolivian people.

    "They are tremendously nervous about the results," said Rubén Costas, prefect of the department of Santa Cruz, a farming region that is the seat of the opposition and where a large statue of Christ is the usual gathering point for antigovernment rallies. "This is an extremely Christian country, and they can't ignore that."

    Public opinion pollster Grupo Mori said support for the constitution had weakened considerably in recent weeks, although the role of the religious campaign was unclear. However, the "yes" vote is still ahead in Bolivia's 10 largest cities by 40% to 37%, and undecided and rural voters are expected to swing polling solidly in favor.
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  • #2
    Yay for more separation of church and state, but... Evo Morales is starting to look more and more like the Turkmenbashi...
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    • #3
      I don't like Evo much but politically I can see why he's doing it. I mean his whole power base is the native population and he's royally pissed off the non-native population so at this point he has nothing to lose by trying to play up native nationalism. Of course the country itself has a lot to lose but Evo obviously doesn't much care about that.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Q Classic View Post
        Yay for more separation of church and state, but... Evo Morales is starting to look more and more like the Turkmenbashi...
        Most of them usually do.
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        • #5
          for personal beliefs... but it is a no-no... can result in lots of bloodshed if it does not turn out right...
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          • #6
            There is a lot of syncretism in Bolivia. The Catholic Church also celebrates the Pachama (mother earth day) with the natives, basically, they dig a hole, fill it with food for the mother earth, and cover it with stones. And the virgin mary and Pachamama are "fused-confused"
            People worship Jesus, The virgin Mary and Pachamama at the same time. Religion in Bolivia is a big mess, not an opposition between Catholicism and Native beliefs.
            I think that in China it is similar, that for example, most christians there also continue with the traditional cult of the ancestors with candles and stuff.

            Probably that is why the evangelicals were the ones to put that Ad on tv, they are more Jesus focused and "monotheistic" than the average bolivian.

            Anyway, I think that Evo is being influenced by Venezuelan and Cuban advicers.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Barnabas View Post
              Anyway, I think that Evo is being influenced by Venezuelan and Cuban advicers.
              Yes, I fear so too. I originally liked much of what Evo promised and kept, but some of his advisors plus the international media reaction of putting him in the same boat as Chavez made him actually sit in it more and more.
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              • #8
                I'll give the Catholic Church this: They are experts at co-opting other religions in order to get people to officially fall in line with the Vatican's policies. Check out how they co-opted ancient Roman festivals and beliefs (Jesus was born right on the winter solstice when Romans held a major public festival?) or Germanic beliefs (Xmas tree anyone?), or even Celtic beliefs (Dia de los mortes/Halloween). So it should be no surprise that they also co-opted Andean or Meso-American traditions. They are experts at doing such things.
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                • #9
                  Probably that is why the evangelicals were the ones to put that Ad on tv, they are more Jesus focused and "monotheistic" than the average bolivian.
                  Of course it can't be the Catholic church. All over our news here. This has been happening all over Latin America, Bolivia is just the next target of the marxists.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wernazuma III View Post
                    Yes, I fear so too. I originally liked much of what Evo promised and kept, but some of his advisors plus the international media reaction of putting him in the same boat as Chavez made him actually sit in it more and more.
                    I have to agree. Now if Evo just made Bolivia a more color blind society then he would have been a good leader but he has made to many power grads under the claim of fighting American imperialism. I mean what does nationalizing Brazilian or Argentine companies operating in Bolivia have to do with American imperialism? He just wanted to steal from his neighbors and concentrate more power into his own hands.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                      Of course it can't be the Catholic church. All over our news here. This has been happening all over Latin America, Bolivia is just the next target of the marxists.
                      I have no idea what you are talking about. I believe Barnabus was referring to the Catholic Church's centuries long attempts to co-opt local religious beliefs in order to get local people to accept Catholicism. It's natural that a religion which has been there for 500 years has reached some type of accommodation with local beliefs just like the Church has in so many other places. The evangelicals are the new kids on the block though in Bolivia so they're preaching a more absolute form of Christianity. I don't think either is better but both positions are understandable that said though the Catholic path is probably more likely to keep people then demanding ideological purity.
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                      • #12
                        Pachamama, eh? At least they worship an archaic pagan deity with a fun name. They could have chosen somebody lame like "Kotok" or "Mujaba."
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