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[Arrian]

I don't think it was so dark and painful, at least as far as the interrogations go.

My comment was based on this. If this statement is *not* an expression of how you think, would you care to rephrase?

-Arrian

[DanS]

It's only one small expression of what I think.

[chequita guevara]

What, calling BS on Nigerian yellowcake didn't undermine the Bush Administration? Or do you just mean Plame and Wilson weren't in cahoots?

Plame and Wilson weren't in cahoots.

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't think it was so dark and painful, at least as far as the interrogations go. I think he's misreading the public's mood on harsh interrogations of terrorists.

QFT

[Darius871]

Plame and Wilson weren't in cahoots.

Ah, well that's likely true. It depends on who you ask, of course.

[Drake Tungsten]

Plame and Wilson were totally in "cahoots". I don't know what else you would call it when a wife gets her husband assigned to a sensitive assignment.

[chequita guevara]

Plame and Wilson were totally in "cahoots". I don't know what else you would call it when a wife gets her husband assigned to a sensitive assignment.

The purpose of "getting him the job" (known in reality as mentioning he was an expert in the field) was not to undermine the President, but to ascertain the veracity of the, as then secret, claims that Iraq was attempting to purchase yellowcake in Niger. Had it been true, you'd be calling Wilson and Plame heroes for uncovering the plot.

[Drake Tungsten]

It's hard to imagine Joe Wilson as a hero; he's a liar and shameless self-promoter. His wife should've known better than to suggest sending him to Niger and then allowing him to write false op-eds in the NYT.

[chequita guevara]

Your right-wing retreads are tiresome. How about some actual facts?

[Drake Tungsten]

I've already laid out the facts.

1. Plame suggested that her husband be sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the claims that Iraq had or was trying to purchase yellowcake uranium from that country.

After being consulted by her superiors at the CIA about whom to send on the mission, Valerie E. Wilson, according to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, suggested that she ask Ambassador Wilson, her husband, whom she had married in 1998, whether or not he might be interested in making such a trip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair

2. Wilson wrote several factually incorrect and misleading articles about his trip to Niger in the NYT in the months after the Iraq War began.

The Iraq Intelligence Commission and the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at various times concluded that Wilson's claims were incorrect. The Senate report stated that Wilson's report actually bolstered, rather than debunked, intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq.[6][7] Wilson later took strong exception to these conclusions in his 2004 memoir The Politics of Truth. The State Department also remained highly skeptical about the Niger claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair

3. It was only after Wilson wrote the first of these op-eds that journalists began investigating the specifics of his trip and word slipped out (through Armitage first, but then others) about Plame and her involvement.

I feel somewhat bad for Plame, as having your cover blown is a very serious matter and it was ultimately her husband's fault that it happened, but she really should've known better than to pull strings to get her husband an assignment and then allow him to make false claims about that assignment and the administration's case for war in the NYT. Either she's dumb (unlikely), has no control over her husband (possible) or she was supportive of his clumsy attempts to pushback against the Bush administration's case for war.

[Zkribbler]

I feel somewhat bad for Plame, as having your cover blown is a very serious matter and it was ultimately her husband's fault that it happened...

Not the fault of those people who leaked her name?? My, that's a strange analysis.

[Drake Tungsten]

Not the fault of those people who leaked her name?? My, that's a strange analysis.

There's no evidence that Armitage knew her name or the fact that she was covert when he told Woodward and Novak that Joe Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and had been involved in his assignment to Niger.

[chequita guevara]

[Q=Drake Tungsten;5577726]I've already laid out the facts.

1. Plame suggested that her husband be sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the claims that Iraq had or was trying to purchase yellowcake uranium from that country.[/q]

Getting someone a job suggests something a bit more than merely suggesting a qualified person.

2. Wilson wrote several factually incorrect and misleading articles about his trip to Niger in the NYT in the months after the Iraq War began.

Where is the proof that they were factually incorrect? Was there ever any proof that Iraq sought uranium in Africa? No.

[Drake Tungsten]

Where is the proof that they were factually incorrect?

Read the reports.

[Drake Tungsten]

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