Another Round Begins in The Middle East

[Eli]

The fascinating thing is that even Arab newspapers go out against Hamas, while some here on Apolyton argue against Israel out of pure
habit.

The editor of Asharq Al-Awsat:

Standing besides those involved with the [Palestinian] issue does not mean turning them into [political] playing cards to be used by Hamas, and those who stand behind Hamas. The Arabs must call a spade a spade so long as Hamas and those who stand behind the Hamas movement do not hesitate to make accusations and bring charges of treason against the Arab world. Let them bear the responsibility [of their own actions], if only once.

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=15189

[SlowwHand]

I'm on board that train. Certain groups just jack with things out of habit.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Eli
The fascinating thing is that even Arab newspapers go out against Hamas, while some here on Apolyton argue against Israel out of pure
habit.

Two can play that game:

Six months ago Israel asked and received a cease-fire from Hamas. It unilaterally violated it when it blew up a tunnel, while still asking Egypt to get the Islamic group to hold its fire.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050460.html

and

But the response to them needs to be fundamentally different: diplomatic efforts to restore the cease-fire - the same one that was initially breached, one should remember, by Israel when it unnecessarily bombed a tunnel

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050459.html

So, does this prove once and for all that Israel is the agressor, Eli?

[SlowwHand]

How do you unnecessariily bomb a tunnel? Do you still want to talk aggression?

[Eli]

Germanos:

That could've been a valid point, but Haaretz is a leftist newspaper that is critical of Israel almost all the time.

I brought you respected Arab opinions, usually vociferously anti-Israeli, who put the blame on Hamas. Can you find newspapers usually supportive of Israel who suddenly changed their opinion?

[germanos]

Eli, I'm not going to start a discussion over when a newspaper is more reliable when it posts one article or another one.

[Sirotnikov]

germanos - what you meant to say was: I'm aware I can't find that.

you're effectively coping out of prividing a valid argument, like Eli said.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Well, changing the situation by killing that someone and making it clear to everyone else that if they become that someone, they'll be killed, too, is another permanent solution.

Yes - if you are prepared to start firing the nukes and not stop until there's no one left.
If you stop anywhere short of that, there will always be another 'someone'...

[BeBMan]

This time it is the real war on christmas.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Oerdin
If it was you and your family who the terrorists were continually attacking then you might want your government to take action to protect you as well.

Protect us, yes. Not do stupid stuff that only makes us more enemies and ensures that our children will have the same problem in a few years' time...

[germanos]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
germanos - what you meant to say was: I'm aware I can't find that.

you're effectively coping out of prividing a valid argument, like Eli said.

What has happened to the people here? This is the third time in as many days that I see people explaining to other posters what they (or I) are actually saying. There used to be a time when people actually discussed on this board. Sure, often posters were often not listening to eachother, but nowadays they just start speaking for others. It's mindbogling.

But let me elaborate: I'm not familiar with the landscape of the Israeli press, and so, in order to satisfy Eli's objection, I would have to first make a study of what the various Israeli news-outlets have been saying in the past on similar subjects, and then compare it to what they say now. That's a bit too much an effort for me to do. Offcourse I would also have to make a study on just how much different the op-ed of asharkh al awsat is different to what they printed in the past on similar subjects.
Thanks but no thanks.

As far as I know ha'aretz is a respectable newspaper, read by many Israelis.

I try to make an informed opinion on the Israeli-Arab conflict, but when reading Ha'aretz is allready considered consulting a misguided source, I'm out of here.


Yeah, call me chicken.

[MrFun]

I'm relieved to see that Israel is willing to take strong action to defend itself when under attack.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by germanos
But let me elaborate: I'm not familiar with the landscape of the Israeli press, and so, in order to satisfy Eli's objection, I would have to first make a study of what the various Israeli news-outlets have been saying in the past on similar subjects, and then compare it to what they say now. That's a bit too much an effort for me to do. Offcourse I would also have to make a study on just how much different the op-ed of asharkh al awsat is different to what they printed in the past on similar subjects.
Thanks but no thanks.

As far as I know ha'aretz is a respectable newspaper, read by many Israelis.

I try to make an informed opinion on the Israeli-Arab conflict, but when reading Ha'aretz is allready considered consulting a misguided source, I'm out of here.

Exactly. And of course we are supposed to take it on Eli's word that Asharq Al-Awsat is always anti-Isreali without any proof of it (simply because they are Arab?)? And Ha'aretz is too (Even though they are an Isreali paper?)? If Ha'aretz was so anti-Isreal why is read by so many Isrealis? Yeah... I don't think so. Smacks to me of the idiot right wingers who call the New York Times anti-American.

[DinoDoc]

Except the NYT isn't read by that many Americans anymore. Hence thier financial trouble.

[Unimatrix11]

You know - i changed my mind.

Violence is the only answer. But i cant figure out, who is the baddy here for sure. So i say: Bomb ´em both. Be done with this.

(Someone should have come up with this idea, when Jelzin still was Russia´s president - maybe he´d done it )