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  • #91
    Originally posted by Kidicious
    Gramps,

    You don't make the decisions regarding how much cash reserve your company will keep. You don't make the decisions on whether or not your company will prepare for a recession or exansion. Stop acting like you owe something to your employees and they owe something to you. You're acting like a complete ****ing tool.
    Kid, your right, I am a tool

    Since I know what i do and what i dont do, I will explain. Just to be clear, this thread was not about being a CEO it was about running a business area, competition delegating process

    Oh, Kid, since your taking this in a much different direction than it started, here is the OP:

    Im in the Ready Mix Concrete Industry

    So as not to violate as anti trust, lets speak in generalities;

    Say there are 4 producers with a total of 50 trucks in a market that can handle say 30 trucks.

    Now, everyone can comfortably make a living at that level.

    But, adding those extra 20 trucks, decreasing the market with residential construction, increase in products and materials F.O.B. as well as variable costs in relationship to employees total package(hourly rate,vacation,insurance,ect.) now greatly reduces the post EBITA bottom line.

    So now, companies, in order to keep employees working, cut the selling price by say 13%..but it starts a downward spiral, and before you know it, your facing a very thin R.O.I. as bottom line, so you have to do something, of course you have done all the necessary things up to this point, efficient, staggered start times, cutting off trucks while not loading, minimizing maintenance costs, ect.

    Now, i ask you, whose fault is this?

    is it the company who is trying to stay afloat by say reducing the workforce by 10 %?

    Is it the employees fault for m,aking such wages with no regard to how changing economic times have strapped a company?

    or is it the renegade company, who in frantic desperation, tries outrunning the inevitable by slashing deeper price cuts where now it is not making a profit, in hopes of being acquired by another company?

    Who wins?

    I hear lots of talk by people who bash corporations and companies for not giving raises in these thin times, just asking how would you change these conditions?

    Thanks for your input, one and all


    Now, I have to make a business plan, a roadmap, or strategic plan and follow it, not simply ride the wave from day to day.

    I do care about the employees and your so wrong, the corporation wont have anything from my area that I dont contribute..i.e. if I dont do my job, then their wont be a nice profit margin to trim during these times.

    Or is this simply something you have never encountered or had to be held accountable for?

    I will say I handle somewhere between 12 million and 54 million annually, not small potatoes. Now, just curious, do you have one iota hwat it takes to keep that sort of backlog?

    Do you have any idea how hard it is to keep that money flowing...i.e. collections, promotions, value added sales, marketing services and products, producing value added performance enhancing mix designs, efficient and profitable stations, from the Quality Assurance end, to Safety,Environmental,Maintainence, from plant production to centralized dispatching of our fleet?

    Kid, the term corporation is that of an Umbrella, which covers all its holdings.

    Where do you think the monies come from?

    Which way do you think the cash flows?

    Do you think that Corporation have money that just permeates its companies top to bottom?

    Or perhaps all efforts made by each individual contribute to the overall success and wealth/growth/sustainability of its future?

    No I dont control where our corporate CEO's take our company, I do however have a say how well we perform locally. This in turn dictates how well we survive during good and not so good times.
    Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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    • #92
      I'm sorry, but you are a bit full of yourself. You are a middle manager. You manage the way they tell you to. You are a tool.

      And my issue is with this...

      "Is it the employees fault for m,aking such wages with no regard to how changing economic times have strapped a company?"

      And my answer to that is hell no it's not their fault. Your company didn't keep a cash reserve (expanded instead) and now you think the employees should take a pay cut for that? **** no.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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      • #93
        Gramps.

        And ultimately, I think that reading about the Nash Equilibrium will give you the answer you're looking for.

        -=Vel=-
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Kidicious
          I'm sorry, but you are a bit full of yourself. You are a middle manager. You manage the way they tell you to. You are a tool.

          And my issue is with this...

          "Is it the employees fault for m,aking such wages with no regard to how changing economic times have strapped a company?"

          And my answer to that is hell no it's not their fault. Your company didn't keep a cash reserve (expanded instead) and now you think the employees should take a pay cut for that? **** no.
          Not in our company, we are given the responsibility to manage our areas, see we are men and women and are held accountable.

          Thats the difference Kid.

          Sure we have guidelines, legal (Local,State and Federal guidelines) as well as objectives, but we have to generate leads, collect or accounts, manage our people..wait..I am probably wasting my time with you, you seem to think that Corporate Commander waves his wand and all employees simply walk around and the job gets done?

          Amazing, your correct that some companies do just that, we however dont.

          I am headed to a fall workshop in Charlotte NC in two days and will share your wisdom with several long time friends, this will give us all a laugh or two

          Seriously Kid, I understand ignorance, which is not the same as being stupid, your ignorant of how this industry works, maybe in whatever field your an expert in, they dont trust you as as part of the process and dont allow you any freedoms to generate additional free thoughts or correct shortcomings in policy at the local levels......

          But again, this has been an enjoyable conversation, primes me to go to another fantasy land, Fallout3
          Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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          • #95
            You're just fluffing yourself up. I couldn't care less about how important you are to your company.

            I'm talking about whether your employees are responsible for you companies dumb ass move to blow all their profits instead of building up a cash reserve like it seems that your competitor did. I say that because it seems like they are kicking your ass.

            What do you think your suppliers would do if you asked them to accept less for the supplies you buy because you wasted all your ****ing money on new equipment right before a recession. They would laugh in your face. They would just keep selling to your competitor at the same price because he'll be taking your business. That's exactly what your employees will do, because they are in fact just your suppliers. They don't owe you ****, and especially not for your dumb ass moves.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Kidicious

              I'm talking about whether your employees are responsible for you companies dumb ass move to blow all their profits instead of building up a cash reserve like it seems that your competitor did. I say that because it seems like they are kicking your ass.
              How exactly did you deduce that?
              Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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              • #97
                Kid, one thing I'm curious about.

                You keep referencing not expanding "right before a recession" as though the timing of said recession was entirely predictable and known in advance.

                You DO know that's never the case, right? If you could accurately predict when recessions would occur, we'd all be talking about Kidicious, the Oracle of Okie City, rather than Buffet, the Oracle of Omaha...

                -=Vel=-

                /we now return you to your regularly scheduled rants
                The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Velociryx
                  Kid, one thing I'm curious about.

                  You keep referencing not expanding "right before a recession" as though the timing of said recession was entirely predictable and known in advance.

                  You DO know that's never the case, right? If you could accurately predict when recessions would occur, we'd all be talking about Kidicious, the Oracle of Okie City, rather than Buffet, the Oracle of Omaha...

                  -=Vel=-

                  /we now return you to your regularly scheduled rants


                  Quoted for truthiness
                  Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


                    How exactly did you deduce that?
                    From your own words. You said you company is "strapped for cash" among other things.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                    • Originally posted by Velociryx
                      Kid, one thing I'm curious about.

                      You keep referencing not expanding "right before a recession" as though the timing of said recession was entirely predictable and known in advance.

                      You DO know that's never the case, right? If you could accurately predict when recessions would occur, we'd all be talking about Kidicious, the Oracle of Okie City, rather than Buffet, the Oracle of Omaha...

                      -=Vel=-
                      You didn't know a recession was coming?
                      Last edited by Kidlicious; November 9, 2008, 12:16.
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                      • Anyone who didn't know a recession was coming was an idiot. There is always a recession coming. If you don't have a cash reserve set up for one when it comes it's your own fault. Your employees shouldn't be asked to take responsibility for your **** up. If your competitor has planned properly for the recession than he will kick your ass when the recession comes and your employees will end up working for him.
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                        • Originally posted by Kidicious


                          From your own words. You said you company is "strapped for cash" among other things.
                          Quote this please, I seemed to have "missed' me saying something that isnt true
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                          • "Is it the employees fault for m,aking such wages with no regard to how changing economic times have strapped a company?"


                            You've been talking as if there is no money to pay your employees this whole time because you spent it on other things. This goes way back.

                            Why did I think you wouldn't be as stupid as the vast majority here on Poly Gramps? This is shamefull on your part.
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                            • Originally posted by Kidicious
                              Why did I think you wouldn't be as stupid as the vast majority here on Poly Gramps? This is shamefull on your part.
                              Hey Kid... enough with making it personal.

                              Discuss the topic and not the posters.
                              Keep on Civin'
                              RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                              • I take back "stupid" but it would be nice if people would either back up what they are talking about or not argue at all.
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