Question for the business guru's here

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Ah, no. It's the inefficiency of a system that lays off it's workers in a recession that causes recessions to be worse than they would otherwise. If people didn't lose their jobs in a recession, things would be a lot better for the whole system. But companies are greedy and disloyal to their workers.

Not all companies are.

Some yes, but if a company simply cannot make ends meet, how is it disloyal, if their no longer is a need for their product or service?

[SlowwHand]

Hell, yes. Finding and training of new GOOD employees is one of the major outlays a company makes.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
You're assuming that all companies are going to lay off all employees.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that they plan to lay off as many as they have to during a recession with sometimes no attempt to keep as many of them employed with the company as is possible.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


Not all companies are.

Some yes, but if a company simply cannot make ends meet, how is it disloyal, if their no longer is a need for their product or service?

There is a need for the product you produce. It's just that in a recession people don't have as much money so in order to sell the same amount you need to lower the price.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Kidicious


No, I'm not. I'm saying that they plan to lay off as many as they have to during a recession with sometimes no attempt to keep as many of them employed with the company as is possible.

More speaking from lack of knowledge.

We do every effort to keep our employees, trimming some hours here and there but we are keeping them gainfully employed.


Just curious, have you ever managed a company, not just a supervisor of a crew but overseen P & l's and tracked efficiencies and made a roadmap and adjusted your business plan +2 years in advance so your prepared for such events as these slower economic times?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Kidicious


There is a need for the product you produce. It's just that in a recession people don't have as much money so in order to sell the same amount you need to lower the price.

THATS YOUR ANSWER?

Just how low do you go? (Remember, your suppliers are increasing all along so a squeeze play is now if effect!}

Oh and what about your theory about savig money to give away to the employees during these slow times?

where does that come from, a fricking majic money tree?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Your only time to invest in the company's future is during profitable times, slower and tighter times is the time to run a tighter ship.

That's backassward, and one good reason why american capitalism is so ****ed up. If you expand in the growth periods instead of preparing for the bad times you end up ****ed and so do your workers and the whole country. If you expand during the bad times you'll be set for the future growth, you'll pay less in interest payments, and the whole system is better off.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Kidicious


That's backassward, and one good reason why american capitalism is so ****ed up. If you expand in the growth periods instead of preparing for the bad times you end up ****ed and so do your workers and the whole countries. If you expand during the bad times you'll be set for the future growth, you'll pay less in interest payments, and the whole system us better off.

So you say expanding is not looking out for the employees needs?

You must not be a business person, because you look for investment opportunities and when the time is right, seize them.


I do agree that if the time is right, paying pennies on a dollar for an investment opportunity.

Oh wait, you dont buy into that, because you said save money when things are great and give it away to employees during slow times..

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Ah, no. It's the inefficiency of a system that lays off it's workers in a recession that causes recessions to be worse than they would otherwise. If people didn't lose their jobs in a recession, things would be a lot better for the whole system. But companies are greedy and disloyal to their workers.

Nope. Keeping companies artificially alive only prolonges the agony. After the liberation of eastern europe that method was used, but in vain. Things only got better when that stupidity was dropped.

Your solution only works for a very short time if you have acces to a bill printing unit such as in Zimbabwe.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
THATS YOUR ANSWER?

Just how low do you go? (Remember, your suppliers are increasing all along so a squeeze play is now if effect!}

Oh and what about your theory about savig money to give away to the employees during these slow times?

where does that come from, a fricking majic money tree?

You are bragging about your experience yet you can't understand how to save cash during the times when your business is growing?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Nope. Keeping companies artificially alive only prolonges the agony. After the liberation of eastern europe that method was used, but in vain. Things only got better when that stupidity was dropped.

Your solution only works for a very short time if you have acces to a bill printing unit such as in Zimbabwe.

WTF?! What are you talking about? I'm simply talking about keeping a cash reserve for recession. This is a common strategy for corporations around the world to a varying degree. I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Kidicious


You are bragging about your experience yet you can't understand how to save cash during the times when your business is growing?

Yes I do, but you dont save it and then just give it away without a business plan to stop the bleeding Kid.

Your the one with some sort of socialist plan, make money, dont invest but gift it away?

Thats not how to become a stronger company for the rest of the employees in the long run wwho depend upon a future.....


sheesh.....

[Grandpa Troll]

Well, this has been all the fun and rage I intended it to be, thanks for an entertaining evening Kid

I do value your opinion and do take it to heart

I am however, during my time off from the real world, fixing to head to where efficiency and EBITA and all that makes a company go to and fro, well, doesnt count in Fallout3

Peace out and see ya all later

thanks again kid, was a lot of valued feedback

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll


Yes I do, but you dont save it and then just give it away without a business plan to stop the bleeding Kid.

Your the one with some sort of socialist plan, make money, dont invest but gift it away?

Thats not how to become a stronger company for the rest of the employees in the long run wwho depend upon a future.....


sheesh.....

Dude, pleaze. Where did I say don't invest the money. I said don't invest in expansion right before a friggin recession. Save the money instead. Seriously man, this can't be so hard for you to grasp that you have to start a strawman argument.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Well, this has been all the fun and rage I intended it to be, thanks for an entertaining evening Kid

I do value your opinion and do take it to heart

I am however, during my time off from the real world, fixing to head to where efficiency and EBITA and all that makes a company go to and fro, well, doesnt count in Fallout3

Peace out and see ya all later

thanks again kid, was a lot of valued feedback

I would just get over yourself, and stop thinking that you are doing the right thing by your employees and that they owe you something cuase they don't. You've just planned to lay them off while acting everyday like they had a job in the future.