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  • Originally posted by Kidicious
    "Is it the employees fault for m,aking such wages with no regard to how changing economic times have strapped a company?"


    You've been talking as if there is no money to pay your employees this whole time because you spent it on other things. This goes way back.

    Why did I think you wouldn't be as stupid as the vast majority here on Poly Gramps? This is shamefull on your part.
    My point with that comment was employees (you,me, all employees) want to make as much as they can,same as companies.

    By strapped" I did not mean to insinuate (because we are certainly not) we are hearing nails in our coffer caskets.

    Now the question was meant, again forgive me for not clarifying it, as "Do employees wanting/demanding/requesting more of this and that (everything from medical/benefits/slower times guaranteed pay/vacations/newer equipment with latest bells and whistles/more per hour wages/better facilities,ect) actually contribute to a company being in a precarious position?

    It was a question,not a veiled call for help kid.

    I also never said their was no money to pay employees, please quote if I did say/elude to that.

    What i am however saying is it is only prudent in business to trim,TRIM mind you, slightly here and there in order to come through this time.

    Let me share this, to show how we are doing despite this situation America is facing and despite our leaders denying it for years, many in the business world new as bright as it was it could not go on inevitably, but, we have had a safety incentive bonus in place for years, and despite constrictive bottom lines, we will still produce these checks the first 10-12 days of December. I say 10-12 because the period ends at end of November, but month ends reports get prescedent, and then the talley of all reported incident/workman comp claims/ect. get reviewed,sent back to person at my level, we sign off or further deduct or defend why someone who was found in error of judgement and therefore penalized.

    Then it goes back to Human resources, final review by a VP, and then entered in the system for authorization to disperse checks.

    This actually takes approx 5-7 days.

    So, we are still doing this and have heard no rumors to cancelling next years program.

    So again, my OP was more about discussion than confession about my business area I oversee.

    It did however, do as I had desired,prompted responses, yours (minus sarcasm and personal insults, was appreciated)

    by the way, we have a few people in the past who were on staff, they responded in kind as you have, they are not with us anymore, because they only responded that way because they did bot have an answer, kinda like a person throwing their hands up and say WAIT,hold on while the trraffic approaches at 55 MPH, you cant do that, you must see the traffic oming, make a decsion based upon the best information available at the time and be professional about it.

    Ok, thanks all for your responses and has been an overall enjoyable talk.

    I still to this day love to learn from people how they do things, because I have a vision of one sad sack who would not grow,learn adapt and overcome, Willy Loman

    I do think a lot of the way I run my area, I am not a college graduate, wish I would have finished high school Kid. I been working since 15 when I was kicked out of my house.

    But I learned much from the hills and valleys of life. I never forgot where I came from. My father is my inspiration, hardest working man I knew, same, no college, worked on railroad retired as head electrican at madison paper Company in east madison Maine. he graduated in Chicago from the Coyne Electrical Institute in 1948, dont know if its even around anymore. he taught himself much and learned much more through life doing.


    But I know what I am talking about because I have been many things in this Industry over 23 years. Yardman, mixer driver , maintainence,plant manager and for the last 14 + years Area manager in charge of Sales,production,Quality Assurance,maint., Environmental and Safety as well as new account generation, debt collection to name but a few aspects of my job.

    I say this because I am very committed and very involved. You can "Demand or dictate" all you want, but the best way i have found to sell a philosphy is to be a leader, lead by examply and listen to those around you to see how they think and try to help them get on board.

    Just asking, have you ever read good to great by Jim Collins?

    Awesome book if you get the chance my friend

    One of the key techniques I rtemember and am sold out on, get the right people on the bus and the wrong people off.

    Ok

    Ill sit down now and again thanks to all for the contribution

    GT
    Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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    • They has a smiley for you Gramps that hardly ever gets used here.



      "Strapped for cash" means exactly what people take it to mean.

      You FAIL!
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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      • Originally posted by Kidicious
        They has a smiley for you Gramps that hardly ever gets used here.



        "Strapped for cash" means exactly what people take it to mean.

        You FAIL!
        Well, I am done debating with you Kid

        no problems

        thanks for exchange

        GT
        Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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        • no problems here. This wasn't the funnest thread though.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • Originally posted by Velociryx
            Gramps.

            And ultimately, I think that reading about the Nash Equilibrium will give you the answer you're looking for.

            -=Vel=-
            Thanks, this explains volumes
            Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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            • Happy to oblige.

              -=Vel=-
              The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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              • Kid...now your logic has me even more curious.

                So if I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying:

                * Companies should save a cash reserve (and not expand operations), in anticipation of recession.

                * Somehow the timing of said recession is a known quantity

                * There's ALWAYS "the next recession" looming

                So therefore.....

                by your own definitions, companies should never expand their operations, right?

                I mean, you established earlier that they shouldn't "right before a recession" (which also implies that said recession can be predicted).

                And, "there's always a recession coming" so that's the only place your logic can take you next, isn't it?

                No expansion ever.

                Just keep saving those profits for the inevitable downturns and give the saved money to the workers.

                Is that the gist of the plan...the "right answer" as it were, or have I misunderstood at some step along the way?

                -=Vel=-
                The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                • Originally posted by Kidicious
                  I take back "stupid" but it would be nice if people would either back up what they are talking about or not argue at all.
                  You're the one that doesn't debate.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • So Vel, I take it Kid is a commie...
                    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                    • Originally posted by Krill
                      So Vel, I take it Kid is a commie...
                      Well...I'm not sure what his political "title" is...definitely state based socialism, but beyond that, I've never been able to pin it down.

                      I know last time we debated the subject, his notion of the utopic post revolutionary America was forced labor camps for everyone, where the state mandated what job "needed to be done" and sent you there. I dunno if that's changed or not, it's been a while.

                      -=Vel=-
                      The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                      • You know folks, I take pride in my job, where i have been in my life and how I have been able to parley my experience into a sucessful career..............

                        BUT, I do wonder if I was being trolled or was he serious?

                        Oh well, I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion...sans personal crap
                        Hi, I'm RAH and I'm a Benaholic.-rah

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                        • Originally posted by Velociryx
                          Kid...now your logic has me even more curious.

                          So if I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying:

                          * Companies should save a cash reserve (and not expand operations), in anticipation of recession.

                          * Somehow the timing of said recession is a known quantity

                          * There's ALWAYS "the next recession" looming

                          So therefore.....

                          by your own definitions, companies should never expand their operations, right?

                          I mean, you established earlier that they shouldn't "right before a recession" (which also implies that said recession can be predicted).

                          And, "there's always a recession coming" so that's the only place your logic can take you next, isn't it?

                          No expansion ever.

                          Just keep saving those profits for the inevitable downturns and give the saved money to the workers.

                          Is that the gist of the plan...the "right answer" as it were, or have I misunderstood at some step along the way?

                          -=Vel=-
                          I didn't say the timing of the recession was known, only that it's known that there will be a recession. Since they don't know when the recession will be they should start putting away cash when they can.

                          Now of course they should expand if that's what needs to be done, but they should also be able to put cash away if sales are that good.

                          If businesses used this strategy the economy would be more stable than otherwise. In fact, a lot do, because it is also the best way for the business and the employees.
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                          • Originally posted by Velociryx


                            Well...I'm not sure what his political "title" is...definitely state based socialism, but beyond that, I've never been able to pin it down.

                            I know last time we debated the subject, his notion of the utopic post revolutionary America was forced labor camps for everyone, where the state mandated what job "needed to be done" and sent you there. I dunno if that's changed or not, it's been a while.

                            -=Vel=-
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • Originally posted by Kidicious


                              I didn't say the timing of the recession was known, only that it's known that there will be a recession. Since they don't know when the recession will be they should start putting away cash when they can.

                              Now of course they should expand if that's what needs to be done, but they should also be able to put cash away if sales are that good.

                              If businesses used this strategy the economy would be more stable than otherwise. In fact, a lot do, because it is also the best way for the business and the employees.
                              *shrug* That's not the implication of your own words earlier in this thread, but if you want to adjust your position slightly as the conversation unfolds, I would completely understand. I think it's most likely a case of what you said didn't come out quite right the first time, so that's cool.

                              -=Vel=-
                              The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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                              • Originally posted by Kidicious


                                Ahhh, so you have chosen to block out the great "work camp utopia" debate, then?

                                I don't blame you.

                                We can go sifting thru the archives to dredge it back up if you like, or, we can both just have a good chuckle and assume that your views have changed since that time.

                                I remain hopeful that they have.

                                -=Vel=-
                                The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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