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Convert or we will kill you, Hindu lynch mobs tell fleeing Christians
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Persecution takes many forms. You don't have to feed people to lions all the time. Just institutionalising discrimination, and making society hostile to Christians and making the mainstream view it as subtly dirty and "uncool" is generally sufficient to silence all but the most vocal, whose radicalism turns off the rest.
No, I don't like it any more than you do, and yes, I'm a complete cynic, but that's how human nature works, and how the noblest of ideas are degraded before they are destroyed. It's how Christianity destroyed Rome and the classical world, after all.
It's how Christianity destroyed Rome and the classical world, after all.
It wasn't Christianity who destroyed Rome. You should read Augustine sometime.
Christianity admired Rome as the model of stability. Christianity isn't a medieval religion, it's classical.
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It wasn't Christianity who destroyed Rome. You should read Augustine sometime.
What, specifically, would you recommend I read?
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Christianity admired Rome as the model of stability. Christianity isn't a medieval religion, it's classical.
That's fine where it is, but don't you think that the attitude changes introduced by Christianity were antithetical to the cultural foundations of classical Rome? That's what I've been led to believe, at least.
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Some chapters are more useful the others, but the whole thing is useful. Platonism has many similarities to Christianity, and St. Augustine goes into considerable details as to the merits of Platonism, and the relationship between the Classical world and Christianity.
That's fine where it is, but don't you think that the attitude changes introduced by Christianity were antithetical to the cultural foundations of classical Rome? That's what I've been led to believe, at least.
Nope. As Augustine argues, the Rome of the 4th Century was not the Rome of the 1st Century, and that was the reason for both the success of Christianity and the failure of Rome.
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If I remember correctly by the middle ages Christian theology was classically based and heavily influenced by some of the classical thinkers such as Socrates. It also has a strong Platonist traditions as well.
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They aren't, and I'm not. But one wouldn't have happened without the other. People who do stuff without judging the consequences, driven by absolute conviction, are dangerous. This sort of thinking leads to all that is to follow.
They are doing nothing wrong per se. Of course conversions anger hindu mobs, but that doesn't mean they should stop. No, fault is fully on hindu side here.
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Christianity heavily went towards the platonism side of things rather than the aristole side.
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That's not it. Christians aren't numerically or electorally powerful enough to influence politics, so nobody gives a crap except to use this as a stick to beat the other party with. Of course, in Indian politics, nobody gives a crap about anything except power, so no big surprise there.
You make my point for me. Christians are a tiny fraction and are widely seen as foreign or at least locals who have "gone bad". Most of the people who convert to Christianity are from the local castes who dislike their current oppressed condition.
It is politically popular to look the other way while Hindu Nationalists run a muck and that is why the Indian government did nothing when Hindus threatened to destroy a historic Muslim mosque, burned Muslims alive on a train, and now when Hindus go on a rampage massacring Christian converts. It's a very barbaric country you live in.
It would be much better if you all gave up this religious nonsense and just became atheists or at the very least decided religion shouldn't be a matter people kill for but that just won't happen. Hindu nationalism is to wrapped up in Indian identity.
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