Why Does the GOP Hate Democracy?

[SlowwHand]

Sloww is Sloww. Emphasis on the captial S and double w.

*Tags TEF back into the massacre.*

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


I know Lou Dobbs. Lou Dobbs is one of the smarmiest *******s I most love to hate. Sloww is no Lou Dobbs.

Sloww > Ming > Lou Dobbs

TEF > Anderson Cooper > Rah

Boris > Apolyton en masse > Oncle Boris

These are FACTS...I just made up

[SlowwHand]

I'm convinced.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Come on...Sloww looks way better in HD than Lou "foamingatthemouth" Dobbs

[SlowwHand]

Are you poor rat bastards ready to give up? Make it easy on yourselves. We can *****slap you for days on end.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
ACORN workers are paid hourly, though. It's about $8/hour, coincidentally enough.

That's actually a new policy. They used to be paid on a piece work basis.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


I don't see any documentation of this theory.

Do the math. 200,000,000 votes in two elections, 87 convictions.

This is not something that is remotely as widespread or worrisome as Republicans pretend. Their interest is voter suppression, which means putting up as many roadbloacks as possible to registering voters and getting them to the polls.

Convictions for vote fraud are extremely hard to come by. Look at indictments. Swissy is correct on how this type of vote fraud occurs. What should be important to note here is that it doesn't favor any one party, but rather the party in charge of the precinct. It should be noted this does nothing when it comes to absentee ballots, which are is the most common avenue by which actual vote fraud is carried out.

The measures the GOP claims to be targeting against vote fraud, however, has the effect of disenfranchising more voters. If thousands of fraudulent votes are blocked, but tens of thousands of voters lose their ability to vote, the net effect is worse than if nothing had been done.

[DinoDoc]

Yes, it's the workers that are corrupt. The leadership of ACORN is as pure as the driven snow.

http://speakingtruth2power.org/blog/?cat=3

[Naked Gents Rut]

Drew Griffin

[Q Classic]

-edit wrong thread-

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by LotC
You USians should try having non-partisan electoral agencies like real democracies do. Is non-partisan even a word down there?

We are sheep to both the Democratic party and Republican party. No politician does anything in this country (least at national and state levels) without some consideration of which party they belong to. That is the real shame these days. Some people here want you to believe that one party is actually better than the other. That change is going to come. No change will come unless it comes from outside the two party system.

[chequita guevara]

nm

[Sirotnikov]

Sources are important if you want someone to judge the veracity of claims made in the article.

So let's see where this was first published.

http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2008/3229

Aha! The source for this article is "The Free Press" an Ohio left wing anti-war "newspaper". This page on their site lends to their non-partisan credibility:

http://freepress.org/doit.php

This is a typical leftist activist leaflet. Not a serious newspaper.

Let's see who's behind it. Oh wait,

http://freepress.org/about.php

Editor & Publisher | Bob Fitrakis
Managing Editor | Suzanne Patzer
Senior Editor | Harvey Wasserman

Aren't those the same names signed on the article?

So this isn't exactly a standard of a large impartial newspaper with lots of resources for investigative reporting. So if they make any... uhm... unsupported bold assertions, we should be less inclined to trust them.


Good. Now that we've finished learning about source, let's discuss the article itself.

It is poorly sourced, has lots of unrelated trivia, and is presented with obvious bias. I'm surprised no one else noticed it, but I guess no one else read the whole damn thing.


Look for example at section 9:

9) An electronic voting machine in New Mexico was found to be operating on faulty software which could have eliminated hundreds of votes. The glitch was apparently corrected, but was of a type that could result in thousands of votes being lost on Election Day 2008, as they were in 2000 and 2004.

How is a faulty voting machine in any way the fault of the GOP?

There is absolutely nothing suggesting any party was involved in the glitch, nor is there any proof this glitch favors any specific party.

It assumes
a) that the glitch has to do with newly registered voters
b) that the GOP has something to gain from the glitch - ie all new voters must be pro Obama
c) that the GOP has any connection to the glitch
These are bold assertions, and have no basis in the article, or anywhere else.


this

7) North Carolina's BOE director Gary Bartlett dismissed concerns raised by the Social Security Administration about possible mis-used of SS files to purge registrations there in conjunction with drivers licenses. The SSI contends Social Security numbers can only be accessed when there is no drivers license or other form of state ID available.

lacks any coherent point as to what has the GOP done wrong.

Then there's this passage

CNN has reported that Obama's surging poll numbers may leave him "in position to steal Virginia from the GOP." Virginia hasn't backed a Democratic presidential candidate since Lyndon Johnson in 1964, but CNN's use of the word "steal" has raised hackles among election protection activists who argue the flow of theft is in the other direction.

lacks any coherent basis for discussion.

Who are the election protection activists? How are they related to the GOP? What specifically are their ridiculous claims?
This is completely unsourced and as such makes a terrible point for a list listing GOP offences.

Unless any support for that claim is given, this point is bogus and can be treated as a baseless assertion.

this

11) The GOP continues to resist attempts to subpoena Michael Connell, a shady Republican computer operative who programmed the 2000 Bush-Cheney web site. Connell was also hired by former Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell in 2004 to tabulate the Ohio vote count.

has nothing to do with the upcoming elections, but talks about offenses that supposedly occurred in the previous ones.

Regarding ACORN - seeing the amount of registrations for Mickey Mouse, I'm glad that their entire lists are checked, and their methods are contested.
Just because new votes may be likely to support Obama, does not mean they should be exempt from rigorous testing, if they do a hatched job.

Points dealing with the GOP contesting a massive voter count jump in Ohio - well if the numbers appear unreasonably large, this should indeed raise eyebrows and be checked for Fraud.


In the bottom line, this article is mostly a list of either biased points of view, or bold assertions, and even some totally unrelated trivia that seems to be a part of a GOP campaign against Obama voters. Even if it's a computer glitch, or happened in past elections.

What crappy sites you read, che.

[Ben Kenobi]

Siro, there has to be some explanation as to why Obama is going to have the election stolen from him.

Faulty machines are as good as anything.

This is all laying the ground now.

[-Jrabbit]

No, it's just Chegitz.