The Canadian Federal Election will definitely be October 14th

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by CrONoS
Does anybody think Justin Trudeau could be teh next Liberals chief?

Too soon. IMO.

Seems to me like the Tories won the election. Seems to me one of the main reasons the Liberals lost was the Green Shift. Seems to me like you haven't seen the polls which show most Canadians did not like the Green Shift specifically.

But did they dislike the idea in general of a carbon tax or the very messy implementation? Or did Dion fail to sell it as something other than a redistribution scheme?

I'm thinking it's pointless in current form, but it could be reworked into a good policy (especially if the taxes don't kick in until after the economy recovers a bit).

[CrONoS]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris




Yes, the Tories won with 37,6% of the vote.

The parties that pledged to implement Kyoto got 60% together.

It's easy promising something when you are sure to never take control; and if the liberal were so pro Kyoto; they should have done something pre-2006.

There is no way; Canada could sign Kyoto with the goal Kyoto had fixed. It was not possible in 2006, it is not possible now.

A market for a right to emit co2 is a much better idea. This is something that I have against the conservatives, the CO2 market was a good idea, and they should have implemented this as soon as they were able. (By assuring the industry of the limits of CO2)

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris




Yes, the Tories won with 37,6% of the vote.

The parties that pledged to implement Kyoto got 60% together.

Not to immerse myself in your tiff with Asher but what exactly does the support of the NDP and BLoc-- who both roundly denounced the Green Shift, have to do with what Asher said?


Also Kyoto? THat ship sailed during the prior LIberal governments. WE were nowhere evern remotely close to complying with it and the Liberals had done next to nothing to move toward compliance. For the Conservatives to say we would not comply was merely reflecting realities-- Or do you have a magical plan to cut our emissions?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by CrONoS


It's easy promising something when you are sure to never take control; and if the liberal were so pro Kyoto; they should have done something pre-2006.

I don't see the problem, as they can still pass the according legislation in the House. Of course in our system, the executive is not really bound by the legislative.

Agreed that the Liberals did nothing, but that was mostly Chrétien and Martin's fault. Dion was serious about it.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Asher


I'm just calling into question the quality of your education, given how absolutely terrible your arguments have been and the massive gaps in your knowledge of federal politics.

That's amusing, seeing that you claim Dion is "disconnected" from Canadians with his environmental platform. FYI, parties with similar or even more aggressive plans got much more votes than the Tories.

[CrONoS]

True, NPD criticized the green shift of S. Dion.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by CrONoS


It's easy promising something when you are sure to never take control; and if the liberal were so pro Kyoto; they should have done something pre-2006.

EXACTLY

I never understood the Liberals trying to get mileage over an accord they completely ignored after signing it.


But then again I never understood their point on Afghanistan either-- Ok-- you were the government that sent them there but seem shocked it costs both lives and money. and seem surprised that the Conservatives don't want to damage our international reputation and the viability of the mission by leaving very shortly after you sent them there.

Hypocrits. What the Liberal mainly need is time so that so much of what they don't like about what teh Conservatives are doing-- is not a continuation of what the Liberals started less than 3 years ago

[Victor Galis]

As for avatars to make separatists use for awhile, might I suggest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_La...Earl_of_Durham

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


That's amusing, seeing that you claim Dion is "disconnected" from Canadians with his environmental platform. FYI, parties with similar or even more aggressive plans got much more votes than the Tories.

Ya and that absolutely equates to 100%support of their environmental policies when people are voting for candidates in parties that have zero chance to govern this time out.

I'm sure all those people voted based on environment alone and none of them voted based on the candidate, or arts funding cuts or income trusts or any of dozens of other issues

Hell I voted Green this time. I don't want their current environmental policies to be implemented but

1. My local conservative candidate was offensive
2. I could not support the Green shift
3. I always vote

So I made a tactical vote for the Greens as I hope they do stick around as a party and continue to raise their issues. I actually hoped they would win a seat somewhere

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Oh and in newfoundland, the Conservatives lost massive numbers of votes over the issue of a broken equalization promise and some hassles with the premier. I don't think the green shift got mentioned much.

So to equate those votes with a desire for the Green shift or to to shut down the oilsands is not merely incorrect-- it is deluded

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Victor Galis
As for avatars to make separatists use for awhile, might I suggest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_La...Earl_of_Durham

Very nice.

I will take that under consideration. I suppose in all fairness the 6 month clock is already started so I should decide soon.

edit - Is Richelieu a separatist?

[Lul Thyme]

Originally posted by Flubber


Actually if you want to get precise about it , The opposition has 22 more members than Harper. If the speaker comes from among the conservatives that would be 23 more voting members so the Conservatives would need perfect attendance while 24 opposition members abstained or absented themselves.

Actually, I didn't want to be precise about it at all. I didn't even look up the numbers.
A difference of 20-24 makes the scenario you describe a lot more unlikely than with a difference of 10.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris




Yes, the Tories won with 37,6% of the vote.

The parties that pledged to implement Kyoto got 60% together.

Comments like these let us know that you're a filosofy student at an apparently terrible school.

Since when does Green Shift == Kyoto?

[Wezil]

I found this interesting in the Globe article you posted Asher -

There are currently 16 vacancies in the Senate because Mr. Harper has let retirements go unfilled, but the Liberals still dominate with 59 unelected Senators in the chamber.

Good thing for Harper he didn't lose.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


That's amusing, seeing that you claim Dion is "disconnected" from Canadians with his environmental platform. FYI, parties with similar or even more aggressive plans got much more votes than the Tories.

Canadians didn't like the green shift, period. The Liberals lost more seats than expected, specific polls said they didn't like it. The Liberal's environmental platform was the Green Shift.

Why is it so easy to beat down filosofy majors, this is just unfair. UNFAIR.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wezil
I found this interesting in the Globe article you posted Asher -

There are currently 16 vacancies in the Senate because Mr. Harper has let retirements go unfilled, but the Liberals still dominate with 59 unelected Senators in the chamber.

Good thing for Harper he didn't lose.

I will be genuinely thrilled if our Senate is reformed. It's a waste of money and time right now. It's shameful.