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  • Originally posted by Flubber
    Does anyone think Harper will be at all reticent to start governing now as if he had a majority-- The opposition just ned to have 10 folks not show up on any given day to allow him to pass stuff even as they oppose it
    He may as well have a majority. He's already swinging a wrecking ball



    Harper targets Senate reform

    CALGARY — Newly-re-elected Prime Minister Stephen Harper today served notice that he will stack the Senate with Tory appointments if necessary to push through democratic reforms of the chamber.

    He also said he's reviewing options for further aid to Canadian banks as he released a six point action plan to address the global financial crisis.

    But Mr. Harper declined a request from the nation's premiers to attend an Oct. 20 emergency meeting on the economy, saying he will instead hold his own first ministers' get-together in the weeks or months ahead.

    “It's not possible for me to take part in a meeting Monday, but I welcome the meeting, I think it's a good idea for the provincial premiers to get together,” Mr. Harper said. “I wait with impatience the results of their discussion before they meet again with me.”

    In his first post-election news conference, Mr. Harper warned that the Conservatives are serious about promised reforms to the Senate – including elections and eight-year fixed terms – and will fill it with new Tory appointment to push through reforms if the Liberal majority there opposes it.

    “We don't believe an unelected body should in anyway be blocking an elected body,” Mr. Harper told a news conference in Calgary.

    There are currently 16 vacancies in the Senate because Mr. Harper has let retirements go unfilled, but the Liberals still dominate with 59 unelected Senators in the chamber.

    “I have held off for a very long time in naming senators. That said, I do not believe it is justified that the Senate would continue to [be] dominated by a party that did not win two consecutive elections,” he said.

    “We are looking for the opportunity to elect senators, but if at some point it becomes clear some senators are not going to be elected, the government will name senators to ensure that the elected will of the House of Commons and the people of Canada is reflected in the Senate.”

    By January 2010, there will be 31 vacancies in the Senate and the Liberal caucus there will be down to less than 50 seats in the 105-seat chamber. Mr. Harper could theoretically appoint 31 senators to a brief one-year term and use this strength to push through whatever changes are necessary.

    Mr. Harper, who was criticized during a 37 day campaign as standing pat amid economic turmoil, also outlined six steps he'd take to address the global financial crisis.

    Most of these measures are in fact actions one would expect a prime minister to take, and the list looks similar to the five-point action plan proposed by Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion during the campaign.

    They include:

    - Taking “whatever appropriate steps are necessary to ensure that Canada's financial system is not put at a competitive disadvantage.”

    - Discussing the crisis at Friday's Canada European Union Summit and talking about strengthening the economic partnership with this bloc.

    - Summoning Parliament to meet this fall and tabling an economic update before the end of November.

    - Participating in the Group of 20 finance ministers' meeting on November 8 and 9 and calling for a further meeting of Group of Seven finance ministers to “build on progress” made at their meeting.

    - Keeping government spending “focused and under control” by continuing a four-year review of government departmental spending.

    - Convening a meeting with the premiers and territorial leaders on the economy to discuss a joint approach to the global financial crisis.

    Despite that final element, Mr. Harper's officials confirmed the new prime minister won't attend the Oct. 20 emergency premiers' meeting on the economy.

    "I will be convening a first ministers' meeting on the economy to discuss with premiers and territorial leaders a joint approach to the global financial crisis," Mr. Harper said in Calgary.

    He declined to comment on reports that Ottawa is looking at making loan guarantees to the banking sector or taking equity stakes in financial institutions. “I can't comment in advance of potential market transactions,” Mr. Harper said.

    One concern Canada has is a flight of savings to other countries where governments have taken very generous measures to backstop banks and offered stronger guarantees for their liabilities. The prime minister last week accused some countries of going “overboard” with deposit guarantees.

    “We're examining what other countries are doing very closely to make sure that our banks are not put at a competitive disadvantage,” he said.

    All he would say about options under review is that they would “not involve significant outlays of taxpayers' money.”
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    • Originally posted by Oncle Boris



      About time I got the Habs out of my face.
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      • Originally posted by Flubber
        Does anyone think Harper will be at all reticent to start governing now as if he had a majority-- The opposition just ned to have 10 folks not show up on any given day to allow him to pass stuff even as they oppose it
        20

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        • Originally posted by CrONoS
          Does anybody think Justin Trudeau could be teh next Liberals chief?
          Never.

          He speaks French with an English accent and makes an anglicism every other sentence.

          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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          • Originally posted by Ramo
            It's pretty remarkable how utterly ineffectual the Greens are. They get more 2/3 of the Bloc's popular vote, and can't carry a single riding. Why do they bother?
            Having a Green party in a British parliamentary system is indeed a farce.
            In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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            • Anyone else could see Denis Coderre as the next Liberal leader?

              Kennedy has a credibility issue for supporting Dion, Rae is a loser. Ignatieff might be good, but there's a huge "anyone but Ignatieff" crowd in the Libs. He also openly drew his sword yesterday - complete lack of team spirit.
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • Originally posted by Asher


                I'm just calling into question the quality of your education, given how absolutely terrible your arguments have been and the massive gaps in your knowledge of federal politics.
                That's amusing, seeing that you claim Dion is "disconnected" from Canadians with his environmental platform. FYI, parties with similar or even more aggressive plans got much more votes than the Tories.
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • Originally posted by Wezil


                  If Harper is wise he will do his big stuff in the next 12 months as no one will bring him down so soon.
                  well for any government it DOES make sense to start with your top priorities

                  Originally posted by Wezil

                  I'm not sure I'd go 2-3 years however. Libs will have a new leader in May and they would be ready to campaign politically within about 6 months after that. Finances will be the Libs Achilles heal however as the cupboard is bare. If they can get this sorted then they will be good to go.

                  I expect next fall or more likely the following spring. 18 months or so.

                  Interesting but you seem completely focused on the Liberals. But lets be practical. If the Liberals come back and look immensely strong where would the incentive be for the Bloc or NDP to force an election? Wouldn't they want some time for the "bloom" to come off the "rose" of a new Liberal leader. Since Liberal gains would come also at their expense, why would they do it?

                  I would see the NDP and Bloc both trying to maintain the Tory government for as long as possible in that "popular Liberals" scenario while at the same time doing everything in their power not to appear to be propping up the government


                  The only ways I see us at the polls again in 18 months is

                  1. the Cons somehow are doing so well that they bring about their own demise (unlikely- they saw how they can muck up a campaign this time!!) OR

                  2. if the Conservatives implode in a spectacular fashion such that pretty much they are unviable as a government and the other parties all figure they can gain-- or any other situation where all three opposition parties figure they can gain

                  3. Some matter of principle-- I could see this one I guess but would Harper be so arrogant as to bring forth something that all three opposition parties would oppose on principle strongly enough for them to tell the electorate we have to vote AGAIN .


                  So again-- if Harper can be seen to be governing even moderately well-- IMHO the opposition would perceive that there are not going to be many slices off the existing Conservative pie and that any seat redistribution comes mainly among the three. Since it is quite likely that one of the three would see themselves as a clear loser, why would they sign on to participate in their own downfall?
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                  • It will be either 2) or 3). This also answers your earlier point about "why would they" (NDP & BQ).
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                    • wrong thread
                      bleh

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                      • Originally posted by Flubber

                        So again-- if Harper can be seen to be governing even moderately well-- IMHO the opposition would perceive that there are not going to be many slices off the existing Conservative pie and that any seat redistribution comes mainly among the three. Since it is quite likely that one of the three would see themselves as a clear loser, why would they sign on to participate in their own downfall?
                        That's the way it was before this election too. It's more likely that it will be Harper calling the next election at some politically opportunistic time hoping he can grab a majority like this one was.
                        Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi Wan's apprentice.

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                        • Originally posted by Flubber


                          well for any government it DOES make sense to start with your top priorities




                          Interesting but you seem completely focused on the Liberals. But lets be practical. If the Liberals come back and look immensely strong where would the incentive be for the Bloc or NDP to force an election? Wouldn't they want some time for the "bloom" to come off the "rose" of a new Liberal leader. Since Liberal gains would come also at their expense, why would they do it?

                          I would see the NDP and Bloc both trying to maintain the Tory government for as long as possible in that "popular Liberals" scenario while at the same time doing everything in their power not to appear to be propping up the government


                          The only ways I see us at the polls again in 18 months is

                          1. the Cons somehow are doing so well that they bring about their own demise (unlikely- they saw how they can muck up a campaign this time!!) OR

                          2. if the Conservatives implode in a spectacular fashion such that pretty much they are unviable as a government and the other parties all figure they can gain-- or any other situation where all three opposition parties figure they can gain

                          3. Some matter of principle-- I could see this one I guess but would Harper be so arrogant as to bring forth something that all three opposition parties would oppose on principle strongly enough for them to tell the electorate we have to vote AGAIN .


                          So again-- if Harper can be seen to be governing even moderately well-- IMHO the opposition would perceive that there are not going to be many slices off the existing Conservative pie and that any seat redistribution comes mainly among the three. Since it is quite likely that one of the three would see themselves as a clear loser, why would they sign on to participate in their own downfall?
                          There could also be a provincial election in Quebec that puts the separatists back in charge (although it seems unlikely as of now). But who knows? The 90-92 recession gave steam to the separatist vote, it might happen again.

                          They've modified their platform - their new strategy is to demand constantly new privileges until we either become a) de facto independent or b) a negative answer from the federal triggers a pretext for a referendum.
                          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                          • Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                            That's amusing, seeing that you claim Dion is "disconnected" from Canadians with his environmental platform. FYI, parties with similar or even more aggressive plans got much more votes than the Tories.
                            Seems to me like the Tories won the election. Seems to me one of the main reasons the Liberals lost was the Green Shift. Seems to me like you haven't seen the polls which show most Canadians did not like the Green Shift specifically.
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                            • Originally posted by Asher

                              Seems to me like the Tories won the election. Seems to me one of the main reasons the Liberals lost was the Green Shift. Seems to me like you haven't seen the polls which show most Canadians did not like the Green Shift specifically.


                              Yes, the Tories won with 37,6% of the vote.

                              The parties that pledged to implement Kyoto got 60% together.
                              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                              • Originally posted by Lul Thyme


                                20
                                Actually if you want to get precise about it , The opposition has 22 more members than Harper. If the speaker comes from among the conservatives that would be 23 more voting members so the Conservatives would need perfect attendance while 24 opposition members abstained or absented themselves.
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