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Originally posted by Mrs Snuggles
So you're using it in the context of relationships, with a very general definition. And you're ascribing that behavioral pattern to women.
Of course. We're talking about relationships, or at least I was.
Which, mind you, goes against many anti-essentialist schools of feminist thought.
Maybe you think that I'm saying that all women are the same and all men are the same. I'm not. I'm talking about general tendencies.
Why does my experience matter in this case? People have different methods of communication that are culturally learned. Asian societies and Western societies, for instance--or even WASPs and Southern rural families. I don't see what's so difficult to understand there, why I think it's hard to say that one form is better than the other, particularly when lots of different variables must be considered.
I'm making the point that no one believes that the male style of communication, or lack thereof is better than the female style.
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- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Originally posted by Kidicious
Maybe you think that I'm saying that all women are the same and all men are the same. I'm not. I'm talking about general tendencies.
I don't. What I am saying is that not all feminists believe as you do, that its expression is an inherent, natural behavior pattern, rather than one that's learned.
I'm making the point that no one believes that the male style of communication, or lack thereof is better than the female style.
Which is fine. I'm not claiming it's better. I'm stating that the value judgement that one is better than the other, however, is socially constructed.
Well, I tried. I told my GF, "look, honey, if you're going to call yourself a feminist, you're going to have to hush up and make your opinion conform to this man's."
You owe me a new GF, Kid.
EDIT: Actually, I told her what you said just now. Her remark: "I don't get along with women. Why would I want to make you one?"
She's just trying to get women to break out of your socially constrained "secondary" roles and become more like the "primary" roles, ie, men
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Actually, AFAIK she just likes the idea of not being a second-class citizen for having two X chromosomes. She relates better to men than to other women much of the time, but that doesn't make her a man...which is a damned good thing, from my POV!
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
She's just trying to get women to break out of your socially constrained "secondary" roles and become more like the "primary" roles, ie, men
Elok has a higher opinion of her than you do. You don't actually think it would be a good thing for the human race as a whole to be less sensitive do you?
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Originally posted by Elok
Actually, AFAIK she just likes the idea of not being a second-class citizen for having two X chromosomes. She relates better to men than to other women much of the time, but that doesn't make her a man...which is a damned good thing, from my POV!
Maybe she doesn't like women because she blames them for her own oppression. She sounds like one of these oreo cookies who don't have black friends and their white friends can make racists jokes in front of them and then say don't worry your a good black person we aren't talking about you and they feel like they aren't black.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Originally posted by Kidicious
Elok has a higher opinion of her than you do. You don't actually think it would be a good thing for the human race as a whole to be less sensitive do you?
Commies are sensitive
Commies
Capitalism
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
That says a lot about you, and I understand why you believe a lot of the things that you believe.
But being sensitive is being intelligent. Sensitive people have a gift. Male dominated society tries to diminish how valuable this is to society because it makes women much more important than they are said to be.
Commies
Capitalists
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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