McCain refused to meet unconditionaly with our....Alies???

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
I can't belive USAians don't consider NATO members allies.

The Madrid attack only happened because of Spanish support of the US.

We Euros should start ignoring NATO and form our own alliance. I'm sure the French wouldn't mind feeling important for a change, I'll write a letter to my representative stressing why I think it is wital we kiss their and Germany's ass instead of the US's.

Let ze building of ze new grand Entente begin!



On second thought what if we just kick the US out of NATO?

The sane members of our nation realize the Europeans are still worth having as friends, will you give us 4 or 5 months so we can clean house, before you boot us out?

[Kidlicious]

McCain sure does make a lot of "errors" as you conservatives call them. Some of them shouldn't really be called errors though. Did he try to cover this one up and lie in the process again like he did with his "when I'm president the US will never fight a war for oil again" comment?

[Alinestra Covelia]

No pants except when the cameras are on?

Hmm, that's a pretty good policy. Does it extend to webcams?

[Whoha]

If McCain appoints Edwards to be Ambassador to Spain, that should settle the issue of whether or not this was a gaffe.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Vesayen

The sane members of our nation realize the Europeans are still worth having as friends, will you give us 4 or 5 months so we can clean house, before you boot us out?

Hey if America is willing we'll have you as an ally anytime, we just don't appreciate being treated as vassals.


Hint: Learn to do it more discretely.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Originally Posted by Pekka:

Unconditionally? What does that even mean? Even if I was the president of my own country with population 10, I'd still have conditions meeting the leaders of other countries. We'd have to arrange it, have our people looking into it, it's not like I'll come running to you, I'm the freaking president. I've got things to do. Unconditional? I don't think so.

What kind of idiocy is this? All meetings must be scheduled and 'agreed' upon in some fashion, thats so mind numbingly obvious. When a leader says their are "Conditions" to a meeting hes not referring to the place and time or the type of jam that will be served at the meeting. It means "I won't meet until your government changes a policy or political position". For example McCain's meeting with Ahmadinejad are conditional on changes in Iran's nuclear programs and policies. When Obama says he will meet Unconditionally it means he dose not demand they change anything before a meeting can take place.

Allies should of course meet each other unconditionally, to do otherwise shows that one holds the alliance itself in disdain.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
What kind of idiocy is this? All meetings must be scheduled and 'agreed' upon in some fashion, thats so mind numbingly obvious. When a leader says their are "Conditions" to a meeting hes not referring to the place and time or the type of jam that will be served at the meeting. It means "I won't meet until your government changes a policy or political position". For example McCain's meeting with Ahmadinejad are conditional on changes in Iran's nuclear programs and policies. When Obama says he will meet Unconditionally it means he dose not demand they change anything before a meeting can take place.

Such as...
Ahmadinejad: I want a meeting to discuss the possible dismantling of Iran's nuclear program.
Pres. McCain: Not until you give up your nuclear program.
Pres. Obama: Okay. Let's meet.

[Vesayen]

Refusing to talk to your enemies as if you are harming them is idiotic in the extreme, the republicans, anyone, who refuses to talk to our enemies as if we are somehow punishing them by not talking, should be the subject of national scorn and insult. It is bone headed beyond words.

[Whaleboy]

If a US politician offends Spain, is this likely to affect the Hispanic vote (like the Irish vote to Ireland) or is it not going to have an effect?

[Riesstiu IV]

I really doubt it.

[Darius871]

Plus Irish-Americans have a sense of connection to the homeland. Hispanics in the U.S. have intermixed so much with Mesoamerican cultures that they don't much identify with the country of Spain, at least AFAICS. Language and religion are nearly all they have in common.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Refusing to talk to your enemies as if you are harming them is idiotic in the extreme, the republicans, anyone, who refuses to talk to our enemies as if we are somehow punishing them by not talking, should be the subject of national scorn and insult. It is bone headed beyond words.

If only life were as simple as you seem to think it is.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by MarkG
it is an ally's duty then to signal you that you're doing an error

You're right. All that cutting and running did send a signal.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Bunch of whelps have no idea what I was talking about, in the least. Go dry behind your ears and then come back.

Be fair. nobody knows what you're talking about most of the time.