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A similar question: why should we give chimps more rights than roaches?
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They are self-evidently NOT.
You don't think intelligent aliens should be granted personhood?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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When is the last time chimpanzees infested your house?Originally posted by Ramo
A similar question: why should we give chimps more rights than roaches?
As much as I agree with the idea that animals are not senseless brutes and that we humans have certain moral obligations towards them in varying degrees, I really don't think this is at all relevant to the discussion of when we demarcate the point at which a human life earns legal rights.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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If they get to us first, I think you are phrasing the question backwards.Originally posted by Ramo
They are self-evidently NOT.
You don't think intelligent aliens should be granted personhood?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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"Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard ShawComment
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Re: Obama and Abortion
The above-my-pay-grade response was to the question of when a fetus becomes a human. That's a question for philosphers, theologians and maybe biologists -- not for a politician.Originally posted by Lancer
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It's above Obama's pay grade, but he managed to vote against it 4 times.
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Obama has never made a secret of the fact that he's pro-choice.
What he urges is for us to find common ground. Such as, together we need to work on ways to decrease the number of unwanted pregnancies.Comment
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Except, of course, the fact that it's central to the abortion debate.That's a question for philosphers, theologians and maybe biologists -- not for a politician.
If, for instance, the answer is "at conception" then abortion is murder. Full stop.
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We define retards and those who are in coma's as being living humans.Originally posted by Ramo
To a degree, yes. On what other basis would we deny other animals rights of personhood?
This is a good thing. In the past people said that retards, blacks, women, and other groups weren't fully human due to not having the mental facility. This was wrong.
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When is the last time chimpanzees infested your house?
As much as I agree with the idea that animals are not senseless brutes and that we humans have certain moral obligations towards them in varying degrees, I really don't think this is at all relevant to the discussion of when we demarcate the point at which a human life earns legal rights.
Because the argument is what's an appropriate basis for legal protection. The fact that we don't share enough DNA with a species is not convincing justification for denying that protection.
Again, suppose some intelligent aliens start immigrating to Earth. You think that it should be completely legal to knock them off?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Depends on their attitude towards usOriginally posted by Ramo
Again, suppose some intelligent aliens start immigrating to Earth. You think that it should be completely legal to knock them off?
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We don't know enough about our own thinking or how that works to start even more baseless guessing about what other species think or guess.Originally posted by Ramo
Because the argument is what's an appropriate basis for legal protection. The fact that we don't share enough DNA with a species is not convincing justification for denying that protection.
If they are migrating here, the question is wether they decide to knock us off, not the other way around.Again, suppose some intelligent aliens start immigrating to Earth. You think that it should be completely legal to knock them off?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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They're cuter, I guess? I would say that, since there are far fewer chimps and they take far longer to reproduce, it definitely behooves us to think twice before whacking a chimp. I don't think they deserve any particular rights, being nonhuman, though like all animals they should be treated humanely.Originally posted by Ramo
A similar question: why should we give chimps more rights than roaches?
Ah well, better throw in my opinion on the actual subject. Massive contraceptive initiatives, abortion remains illegal under most circumstances. I don't buy the "woman's body" crap any more than I buy Sloww telling us he's got a right to shoot burglars. Almost all personal sovereignty can be overridden by a sufficiently urgent greater good.Comment
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They're taking our jobs.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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We don't know enough about our own thinking or how that works to start even more baseless guessing about what other species think or guess.
I'm not saying that my criteria is perfectly coherent, or that there aren't huge uncertainties involved here, but I think it makes a lot more sense than using sufficiently similar DNA as the basis for distinction. I don't see why that should matter at all.
If they are migrating here, the question is wether they decide to knock us off, not the other way around.
In this hypothetical, let's say that they're peaceful. Whether or not such a form of life exists doesn't invalidate the point here. Are you saying that they should be denied legal protection merely because they aren't homo sapiens sapiens?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Btw, did you guys know Israeli women have the habit of aborting any baby with a physical or mental defect?Comment
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Obviously it's not working. The kids who come out are still mentally defective, as evidenced by their decision to continue living in Israel.Originally posted by Maniac
Btw, did you guys know Israeli women have the habit of aborting any baby with a physical or mental defect?
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