For the record, I'm not voting for Obama because I ever thought he was a saint. He's been involved in unethical dealings just like all politicians, including John McSame.
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Originally posted by rah
He's just another effing politician.Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
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Originally posted by rah
"There is no upside here"
Code for no balls. If he really stood for reform he would get in the middle.
Thanks for agreeing with me. He's just another effing politician. He's not the one we've been waiting for.
this was more than a year ago...
Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"
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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
I've never believed nor stated anything different.
I have no problem that you want to vote for him. At least your reason for voting for him is not that he's a reformer and an outsider.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O
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Originally posted by rah
Thanks for agreeing with me. He's just another effing politician. He's not the one we've been waiting for.
But hey, please elect the idiots again. Please...Only feebs vote.
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I don't dislike Obama. He's a bit left for me.
But the hero worship is annoying. There are quite a few good reasons to vote for him. But for those that are voting for him because they think he's a clean, outsider, or a reformer, then they're delusional. He's just another politician. You have to be to get to where he is. And for the record, I don't think McCain is a saint either. Or that just because he was a POW he's entitled to be the president. Or that by being in the service makes him automatically qualified to be commander and chief.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O
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Obama is an outsider in the sense that he's only been in Washington for 4 years. He hasn't had the time to be fully corrupted (as all long-time politicians inevitably are), and has created a fundraising machine that allows him to keep lobbyists at arm's length.
John "Flip-Flop" McCain claims to be a maverick. Obama claims to be an outsider. Both are the candidates of "change." This is just marketing/branding for the products being sold to us.
As well you know.Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
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Originally posted by rah
I don't dislike Obama. He's a bit left for me.
But the hero worship is annoying. There are quite a few good reasons to vote for him. But for those that are voting for him because they think he's a clean, outsider, or a reformer, then they're delusional.
The hero worship is simply what you guys do. Reagan was the same. So was Kennedy.
He's just another politician. You have to be to get to where he is.
Our Prime Minister is a lesbian in a show marriage. Everybody knows it. Yet the media would not dare make an issue of it and the opposition would not dare because they would lose the election, because we don't stand for that kind of sleazy, personal politics. It's about the issues, and character only matters when it is relevant to the issues.
What would happen to Obama or McCain if they were caught hiding the sausage with another bloke? Can you imagine it?
I mean, seriously, what is wrong with your country when it comes to politics? It is NOT normal. You can put a guy on the moon, but when it comes to elections, you come over like toddlers. What gives?
And for the record, I don't think McCain is a saint either. Or that just because he was a POW he's entitled to be the president. Or that by being in the service makes him automatically qualified to be commander and chief.Only feebs vote.
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I'm not quite sure when the personal slinging started. It certainly wasn't like that for Kennedy. His personal life was not a valid target for the press. So other politicians wouldn't think of using anything like that.
I guess the explosion of the gray press is the root cause. Once you start being bombarded with all the personal stuff at every check out counter you start to get a bit immune to the indignation you should feel about this kind of thing. Once you don't actively complain about it, campaign managers are going to be more likely to use it, because it's been proven to work. After it's been successful, it's hard to turn back to the old way. I wish we could turn back.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O
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On mudslinging and the politics of the partisan press:
Originally posted by rah
I wish we could turn back.Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
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The first real mudslinging about a candidate's family I can remember was when the republicans went after Carter on his comment that he spoke with Amy about nuclear weapons policy."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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I try my best, Zkrib.
In other news, I read today that most of the different women's rights organizations have rallied in support behind Obama.
Just goes to show that even though Palin has the same sexual reproductive organs as Clinton, that many women are still intelligent enough to realize that these two women could not be farther apart in differences on various issues concerning women.Last edited by MrFun; September 17, 2008, 22:15.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Originally posted by MrFun
I try my best, Zkrib.
In other news, I read today that most of the different women's rights organizations have rallied in support behind Obama.
Just goes to show that even though Palin has the same sexual reproductive organs as Clinton, that many women are still intelligent enough to realize that these two women couldn't not be farther apart in differences on various issues concerning women.
Unlike certain other mostly monolithic voting blocks.
Spoiler:the evangelicals
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Spoiler:Black people
(though probably that is what asleep was trying to insinuate before throwing a curve)
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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