New Microsoft commercial, featuring Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates

[Asher]

Only you can manage to make yourself look like more of a douchebag with each successive post.

It's your "ignorance is bliss" attitude that explains your complete and utter failings as a human being. You don't know **** all about philosophy, it's why you've ran away to the far east to teach people who don't know any better. You don't know **** all about technology and business, which is why you have me on ignore. You don't know **** all about economics, which is why you told everyone to buy Apple shares when they hit $200 in late Dec 2007.

You don't know **** all about anything, and it stays that way because you ignore contrary facts, because when you learn the truth about the real world, your whole fantasy world crumbles down around you. Grow up.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It's a great spin on the Mac ads, putting a real face on "I'm a PC" and saying we are not a stereotype.

Epic fail again. The Apple ads personify the products, not the users. Apparently, Microsoft thinks that "I'm a PC" means the same as "I'm a PC user".

It also misses the point of the Apple spots. "PC" is the more likeable of the two. People always say that they prefer him to the Mac guy. This is completely intentional since the ad is aimed at PC users. It's a way of disarming people's defensiveness in order to make a pitch about the product. It simply wouldn't work if Justin Long's character was the more appealing of the two.

For additional hilarity, the ad agency that did the MS ads was featured on Apple's website a while back. They are heavy Mac users.

Ali is right. They should go back to ads like the chalk outline one I posted above. They were good, memorable advertisements. Either that, or they should show us why their product is good.

But in the end, it's all information pollution and just serves to employ evil people like Ming.

[-Jrabbit]

While I've never been in their offices to know they only use Macs, I can call either you or Apple a liar with one simple link:

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph...cpbgroup.com%2F

Crispin-Porter's website has been running Windows since 2002.

So did Apple's website lie, or did you lie?

Cool site, Asher. Never saw that before. But I think the assumption that CPB actually runs /hosts its own website makes your assertion inconclusive.

The Crispin Porter+Bogusky site, BTW, is tiny-type, pop-up intensive flash-based BS. Sadly, very typical for ad agencies.

[Asher]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit

Cool site, Asher. Never saw that before. But I think the assumption that CPB actually runs /hosts its own website makes your assertion inconclusive.

The Crispin Porter+Bogusky site, BTW, is tiny-type, pop-up intensive flash-based BS. Sadly, very typical for ad agencies.

It is true they have not always hosted their own site.

But that site proves without a doubt they host it now.

Notice how it used to be "GSI Hosting".

But it is now owned by " CRISPIN PORTER BOGUSKY".

It's in-house hosting.

[-Jrabbit]

I worked for a company that insisted on fully owning its hosting, but the actual servers were owned and operated by a third party, off site. We "owned" the servers in that we literally sent them a check so that we would have a non-shared server system. But all we ever did was upload to it.

In addition, server protocol says little about what machines were used to produce the commercials. It's highly unlikely that the video was shot or produced in house.

So I thought it could be possible that there's some truth on both sides here.

I really don't care to get in the middle of an Asher-Aggy Fest, so I'll go away now.

Carry on.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon


Epic fail again. The Apple ads personify the products, not the users. Apparently, Microsoft thinks that "I'm a PC" means the same as "I'm a PC user".

It also misses the point of the Apple spots. "PC" is the more likeable of the two. People always say that they prefer him to the Mac guy. This is completely intentional since the ad is aimed at PC users. It's a way of disarming people's defensiveness in order to make a pitch about the product. It simply wouldn't work if Justin Long's character was the more appealing of the two.

This is one of the most ridiculous things you've ever said, which is quite an achievement.

Assertion 1: Hodgman and Long personify products, not users. Fine.
Assertion 2: Hodgman is intentionally more appealing.
Corollary: A PC is more appealing in Apple's commercials.

Somehow that doesn't jive with your stated opinion and position on the matter.

I strongly suggest you take some remedial Philosophy of Logic courses.

[Asher]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
I worked for a company that insisted on fully owning its hosting, but the actual servers were owned and operated by a third party, off site. We "owned" the servers in that we literally sent them a check so that we would have a non-shared server system. But all we ever did was upload to it.

In addition, server protocol says little about what machines were used to produce the commercials. It's highly unlikely that the video was shot or produced in house.

So I thought it could be possible that there's some truth on both sides here.

I really don't care to get in the middle of an Asher-Aggy Fest, so I'll go away now.

Carry on.

The problem is "truth on both sides" instantly indicates Agathon's statement is false. As he should know, he used a universal qualifier (calling it a "Mac-only" shop). We have at least one counterexample. Which means his statement was false (or a lie, depending on if you think he's intelligent but a douchebag or simply stupid).

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It's a great spin on the Mac ads, putting a real face on "I'm a PC" and saying we are not a stereotype. Bravo.

I'll embed 'em:

Someone tell those idiots that macs are also personal computers.

Also, Asher boy, you know the ad firm MS paid $300 million to to make these ads? They've got a flash site.

http://www.cpbgroup.com/

SUCK IT DADWN!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Kidicious
You're all on crack. Jerry's never going to do more of those commercials. They suck.

London odds makers stop taking bets against Bill and Jerry ads.

[Agathon]

I love the smell of stupid windows users getting owned in the morning

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:MfBhNgtrqkAJ:www.apple.com/ca/pro/profiles/crispinporterbogusky/+www.apple.com/ca/pro/profiles/crispinporterbogusky/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=safari

The original has been pulled for obvious reasons. Plus the pic ads on MS own site were done on Macs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ldiazsantana/2869094754/

(the metadata has since been altered out of shame)

It's a lolercaust!!1

[Ming]

Enough with the personal crap folks... stay on topic

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
I love the smell of stupid windows users getting owned in the morning

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:MfBhNgtrqkAJ:https://www.apple.com/ca/pro/profile...ent=safari</a>

The original has been pulled for obvious reasons. Plus the pic ads on MS own site were done on Macs.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ldiazsantana/2869094754/

(the metadata has since been altered out of shame)

It's a lolercaust!!1

That's the very google cache I referred to and even quoted. I like how you're ignoring that it discredits your claim that they're an "all Mac" shop, but are now citing it as if it is proof of it?

Regarding the proof -- one unconfirmed, unverifiable JPEG screenshot of a JPEG from the Windows ad site does not constitute proof that the entire ads were made on Macs. The actual original article claims, rather specifically, "that the audio was also mixed on Mac" without proof. But this seems to imply that the video was not.

In any case, I fail to see what the big deal is. CrispinPorter got their start on the Mac back when it had applications like Photoshop that Windows didn't have yet. They kept using it because it's what they know, and I do believe most people there still use it.

I'm not sure what the **** it proves aside from both platforms are competent media platforms and you've got a very unhealthy obsession with Apple. Honestly, what the **** is wrong with you people* (Ming, this isn't personal because I'm applying it to an entire community!). This obsession you have with thinking that because someone MS hired used a Mac because they've been used to it proves something is just unhealthy.

We've seen this before from you. You got a huge kick out of it and creamed your pants when MS bought lots of PowerMac G5s to run as early Xbox 360 emulators. You had a public orgasm when some MS intern took photos of some Apples being delivered to the MS campus (IT MUST MEAN THEY USE MACS INTERNALLY TOO LOL!!!!), when of course the Macs were destined for the Mac Business Unit which develops Apple software...

Words cannot describe how disgusted I am with your repeated juvenile obsession here. It's alarmingly like in elementary school, and you think PCs have cooties and you're gossiping like a little girl about it. Get over it. In the real world, people use different software. In the media world, that's a Mac domain due to history and customs alone. This isn't surprising to anyone here but you.

But let's not forget you still managed to lie about it, which is even more sad. It's not an all Mac shop.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Actually I saw the PC ad again (the one that starts with "I'm a PC and I've been made into a stereotype"). I have to say, I like it. It takes the fight back to Apple after many years of being silent on MS' part.

I don't say this will make me go out and buy loads more MS stuff, but I do think it has rekindled the competition between the two. Makes the whole market more interesting.

[Asher]

It's got Eva Longoria.

[Jaguar]

Aren't you allegedly gay?