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Well, I've never liked Biden, but I think he's a good choice for veep. Veeps don't get picked to bring states anymore (Bush would have won Wyoming without Cheney, Clinton would have won Tennessee without Gore, Bush I would have won Indiana without Quayle, etc.). Veeps get picked to do 3 things.
1. Attack the opposition party and their candidate. Biden will actually be pretty good at this, especially because he knows McCain pretty well and they apparently like each other (meaning the attacks won't seem personal, which would cross a line).
2. Reach out to the wing of the party the candidate doesn't represent. Biden will do that well.
3. Reinforce the nominee's message. At this, Biden fails utterly; he's a consummate inside-the-beltway figure who went along with Bush in the whole run-up to the Iraq fiasco.
So two out of three. Not perfect, but I don't think the perfect choice was out there.
edit: Plus, if Obama and Biden win, it'll give Chris Dodd the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations committee. That's reason enough to root for them.Last edited by Rufus T. Firefly; August 23, 2008, 08:23."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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So much so that he's even voiced support for a McCain presidency in the past (aside from his criticism of Obama which is, granted, to be expected in a primary)... McCain's camp wasted no time getting the clips on Youtube:Originally posted by EPW
Biden undermines Obama's message of change since he's Mr. Center. He may alienate the left, and he doesn't even bring in any new states.
Good pick Barack!August 23, 2008, 6:43 am
McCain Rolls Out New Ad With Biden’s Words
By Kate Phillips
Just three hours after the Obama campaign sent out its text announcement, the McCain campaign rolled out its first ad this morning, using Senator Joe Biden’s own words during the primary season about Senator Barack Obama.
From a debate in 2007, a clip shows Mr. Biden standing next to Mr. Obama. George Stephanopoulos of ABC News queried Mr. Biden: “You were asked, “Is he ready?” You said, ‘I think he can be ready but right now, I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.’ ”
Mr. Biden: “I think that I stand by the statement.”
In addition, the McCain ad uses footage from another TV appearance, where Mr. Biden said, “I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off.”
I thought there was supposed to be a vetting process or something???
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Does this make Kay Bailey Hutchison a more likely pick for McCain?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Actually, Obama picking someone who talked trash about him actually works to his advantage: it shows that he's willing to mend fences, that he's not leading some cult of ideological purity, and maybe even that he has a sense of humor. There's lots wrong with Biden, but I don't think those comments are going to have legs.
As for his vetting process: Obama was not my first, second, or even third choice for the Dem nominee, but I have to admit (as I think any fair-minded person would) that so far this guy has run the smartest, most disciplined, most strategically impressive campaign of any candidate, in either party, in the last 3-4 decades. Whatever else is wrong with Obama, it's not that his campaign team is prone to big mistakes; if it were, we'd be talking about Hillary's veep pick right about now."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George CarlinComment
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That's why my post disregarded his comment about Obama being too inexperienced; rather it's the suggestion that a McCain presidency would be "better for the country," and that he'd even like to run with McCain, that is most damaging, and that comment has nothing to do dissing Obama or "mending fences." It's one thing to lean toward the center in the general, but this is more like a quantum leap that could alienate much of his base. At worst enough for some to stay home, at best enough to fight for the "cause" with less vigor.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Actually, Obama picking someone who talked trash about him actually works to his advantage: it shows that he's willing to mend fences, that he's not leading some cult of ideological purity, and maybe even that he has a sense of humor. There's lots wrong with Biden, but I don't think those comments are going to have legs.
I'd say it has quite a bit more to do with sheer enthusiasm in the ranks than actual organization, which is precisely why picking a 6-term Beltway-establishment McCainiac could partially put out the fire.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
As for his vetting process: Obama was not my first, second, or even third choice for the Dem nominee, but I have to admit (as I think any fair-minded person would) that so far this guy has run the smartest, most disciplined, most strategically impressive campaign of any candidate, in either party, in the last 3-4 decades. Whatever else is wrong with Obama, it's not that his campaign team is prone to big mistakes; if it were, we'd be talking about Hillary's veep pick right about now.Last edited by Darius871; August 23, 2008, 10:11.Comment
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Just shows who really will run an Obama presidency: Kennedy and company. They demaded Biden, they got Biden."The greatest happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved - loved for ourselves, or rather, loved in spite of ourselves."--Victor HugoComment
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Biden? Isn't he the fellow with terminal dysentery of the mouth?Comment
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Come on Slowwy. You guys just went through 8 years of Bush: you can't be that worried about the next guy.Originally posted by SlowwHand
Who gives a ****? If Obama gets elected, you better give a ****. He won't, but still...What?Comment
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Hell yes we can. You think we want 12 years of Bush? I doubt we'd ever recover as a nation after that.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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Like Rufus, I don't like Biden, but think that he's not a bad pick. He's an effective attack dog with foreign policy gravitas (after Graham and Lieberman announced their trip to Georgia, the Georgians asked for Biden). And he's able to come up with great one liners ("a noun, a verb, and 9/11"). While he voted for the war, he also tried to engineer an alternative to war (Biden-Lugar, which was undermined by Gephardt). The other big black mark is his vote for the Bankruptcy Bill, but that's largely home state pork (all of the credit card companies are based in Deleware). Take away his financial sector votes, and he's basically center-left, like Obama.
As a bonus, he has a working class background, and is one of the least wealthy Senators. And he's old enough that he probably won't run in 8 years.
Most importantly, he's neither Evan Bayh nor Tim Kaine.
What does Biden have to do with Kennedy? They were both in the Senate for ages, but that's about it.Just shows who really will run an Obama presidency: Kennedy and company. They demaded Biden, they got Biden."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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As long as the VP will not be the trial lawyer Eddie, I'm fine.
That hypocrite is fortunately out of the race.
Warren Buffett even suggested a class-action lawsuit against that guy for misleading his campaign contributors.
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Hooray! It's Biden.Originally posted by EPW
Ugh it's Biden :vomit:
Remember eons ago when we were making our predictions who'd be President, and I picked Biden? I did so because I thought the American public would be smart enough to figure out he was the best person for the job. Well, they weren't, but the No. 2 spot isn't bad.
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Well, if Obama does 2 terms and Biden fills his shoes, your prediction would be correct. Or if Obama goes the way of Bobby Kennedy like Hillary talked about (Originally posted by Zkribbler
Hooray! It's Biden.
Remember eons ago when we were making our predictions who'd be President, and I picked Biden? I did so because I thought the American public would be smart enough to figure out he was the best person for the job. Well, they weren't, but the No. 2 spot isn't bad.
), maybe Biden would still take the reins... or not? Anybody know what DNC rules would dictate in that scenario? Would the VP-pick run or the primary candidate-ess with the most delegates?
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Is that when he'll have his stroke?Originally posted by SlowwHand
The only attention McCain needs is come election day. He'll have plenty then.
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