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Though if Obama makes it the whining of the conservatives will be quite amusing 
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Oven chipsOriginally posted by Dauphin
I'd vote for McCain..
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It's too late to vote for Hillary.Originally posted by Ecthy
Dauphin, would you rather abstain though or vote for the other guy?Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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After eight years of "staying the course," flip-flopping somehow doesn't sound very scary anymore.
(I'm voting for McCain, but he's been doing some flips himself lately)Comment
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With McCain running, it's not a good idea for the GOP to play the flip-flop card this year.Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
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Yep. The idea that McCain could base a campaign on calling his opponent a flip flopper is pretty ridiculous."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Well they could have a few laughs with his "I was for Welfare reform before I was against it" ad meant to position himself with the center.Originally posted by Ramo
Yep. The idea that McCain could base a campaign on calling his opponent a flip flopper is pretty ridiculous.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Leftists were never convinced by Obama. Liberals were, and that's something different.Originally posted by Winston
Too late.
For Ecthy: The man's an amateur when it comes to actual political leadership, as opposed to showcasing and posturing in front of hordes of easily-convinced leftists.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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The article wasn't written by a McCain supporterOriginally posted by Ramo
Yep. The idea that McCain could base a campaign on calling his opponent a flip flopper is pretty ridiculous.Comment
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Obama stabbed his political mentor in the back to get her Illinois State Senate seat.
Obama won his US Senate seat when the very viable Republican candidate was driven from the race by the liberal press prying into his out of state divorce files.
Looks to me Obama stands for winning by whatever means and no matter the cost.
He also did jack after winning both elections, so I guess he doesn't stand for doing a decent job."The greatest happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved - loved for ourselves, or rather, loved in spite of ourselves."--Victor HugoComment
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Looks like another election between terrible candidates, even though this one was supposed to be better. Why does American politics suck so much?"The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
-Joan RobinsonComment
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Because they (and everyone else) need a better system for voting, where you can indicate who your vote goes to if your candidate is a loser.Originally posted by Victor Galis
Looks like another election between terrible candidates, even though this one was supposed to be better. Why does American politics suck so much?Graffiti in a public toilet
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Among the poets we are ****.Comment
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I didn't assert that was the case. Just pointing out a simple fact.The article wasn't written by a McCain supporter
As for the article, it's pretty ridiculous. It's a combination of paint-huffing fantasy (,The first is his tax policy. This would raise the top marginal rate of federal income tax in the US on those earning $250,000 a year to more than 56 per cent.), lack of an actual recent change in positions - what a "flip flop" constitutes (his primary campaign pledge to dismantle the North American Free Trade Agreement), failure to understand the First Amendment and how the left interprets it (opposition to another that outlawed the death penalty for rape of a child.
), and general idiocy (a programme that channels funds to religious groups so that they can deliver social welfare services, which the Left regards as a heinous blurring of Church-State separation.).
The other challenge is Iraq. Mr Obama continues to insist that Iraq is a failed war and says that he will withdraw all US combat troops within 16 months of taking office. But the closer the election gets, the less plausible it will be to refuse to acknowledge the success that US forces have had in Iraq in the past year.
There are a few points where there are real flip flops. He switched his mind about the constitutionality of handgun bans, but that's the "major issue" that a care the least about, and one that I'd argue is completely peripheral to personal liberty and crime policy. He promised the left that he'd filibuster a FISA compromise that included telecom amnesty, but now indicates that he probably would vote for one (and would fight to get it out of the bill before it comes to a vote), but that skirts the major issue regardless - on the NSA datamining program, where Obama was always weak from the perspective of civil libertarians. And on NAFTA, he has gone from saying that he'd unilaterally start a renegotiation of NAFTA to a more multilateral stance - which amounts to a hill of beans in either case.
But the point is, all this is nothing compared to what McCain has gone through over the past few years."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Change obviously.
"I am as constant as the Northern Star" is not a phrase you will hear.Last edited by Ben Kenobi; July 6, 2008, 05:41.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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As humans, we flip flop, the problem is how much we flip flop.
I don't really see much of it with Obama, he seems like an alright candidate. Some say he is inexperienced, I say bull****. A leader is someone who reminds people which path is the best to take, a leader is not someone who sits down at a table and does all the calculations. JFK anyone?be freeComment
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