Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

CA Goes Hands Free and Practices Agism!

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • CA Goes Hands Free and Practices Agism!

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

    Unless you have been living in a cave, you are probably aware that California's hands-free cellphone laws go into effect at midnight. It appears that different agencies may enforce the law differently, according to my colleagues David Pierson and Hector Becerra in a story at The Times' website.

    First, the gist of the laws: you cannot hold a phone and have a conversation when driving, although you can touch the phone to dial. If you are 16 or 17, you can't use a phone period. And, the law fails to address text messaging. Here's a link to a Q&A I wrote recently on the laws.



    * Hands-Free L.A.: Your guide
    Hands-Free L.A.: Your guide

    Second, I wanted to address the most important point of such a law: will it make the roads safer? My former colleague Myron Levin, whose story in March in The Times has this juicy detail:

    Indeed, federal highway safety officials drafted a letter from then-Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta to the nation's governors in 2003 to warn against laws like California's that allow hands-free calling. For reasons never fully explained, the letter was neither signed by Mineta nor sent. According to the bluntly worded letter, obtained by The Times, "overwhelmingly, research worldwide indicates that both hand-held and hands-free phones increase the risk of a crash."

    There has been a lot of research on the subject, with mixed findings. Here's a summary of some of the best-publicized research. If I'm leaving a study out, please note it on the comment board:

    University of Utah:
    Studies released in 2006 and 2008, respectively, concluded that drivers on cellphones -- hands-free or not -- drove as badly as those under the influence of alcohol and also were prone to clog traffic because they weren't paying sufficient attention. Here's a link to an earlier post on U of U's research.

    Carnegie Mellon University:
    In a study released earlier this year, researchers found that people talking on a cellphone while driving -- again, hands-free or not -- were devoting 37% less of their brain to driving.

    California Public Policy Institute:
    The May report concluded that the hands-free law will result in a drop of about 300 driving fatalities each year -- mostly from crashes in adverse conditions.

    New England Journal of Medicine:
    The 1997 report, based on studying crash data and cellphone bills, showed that motorists were four times more likely to be involved in an accident when using a cellphone versus when not. However, the report also found "Thirty-nine percent of the drivers called emergency services after the collision, suggesting that having a cellular telephone may have had advantages in the aftermath of an event."

    Harvard Center for Risk Analysis:
    A 2003 study projected that, across the U.S., 2,600 people die each year and more than 330,000 are injured as a result of cellphone-related crashes -- a number that got a lot of media attention with little mention how it was calculated. Overlooked, perhaps, was that the numbers were not based on figures from each state but on a complex calculation involving several factors -- i.e., how much time people talk on the phone and how much they drive.

    Statistics from the states:
    New York state was the first to institute its hands-free law in 2001. The state also keeps statistics on contributing factors to accidents. From 2001 through 2006, hand-held phones were a factor in 1,170 crashes versus 214 crashes involving hands-free phones, according to the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles. There are some important caveats here: accident factors were reported in 82% of all crashes, and in many instances the police must count on getting data from those involved in accidents -- who may or may not have seen what happened or may or may not be honest about it.
    Link

    Personally, I think it's a great idea. What makes you so important that you have travel 20 miles slower than the speed limit in the fast lane to take a phone call?! Important people have secrateries to do all the work for them!
    Monkey!!!

  • #2
    I hate people who drive around talking on their phones. And I don't give a flying **** about "hands free." Hands are not the problem - attention is.

    -Arrian
    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

    Comment


    • #3
      Originally posted by Arrian
      I hate people who drive around talking on their phones. And I don't give a flying **** about "hands free." Hands are not the problem - attention is.

      -Arrian
      Note to self: cancel cross country trip with Arrian.
      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

      Comment


      • #4
        I still remember the day I was almost crashed into by three different SUV's, all of whose drivers were yammering away on the cell phones.

        Now we need to amend the law to add texting to the list of forbotten activities.

        Comment


        • #5
          I hate people who drive around talking on their phones. And I don't give a flying **** about "hands free." Hands are not the problem - attention is.
          Amen.

          Well-said Arrian.
          Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
          "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
          2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

          Comment


          • #6
            Notice how none of the studies cited mention any special inability by teens to use hands-free cell phones while driving.

            Do they have any reasonable reason to put stricter restrictions on teens then everyone else? Probably not. They probably just knew they could get away with it, so why not?

            And it is ageism, not agism. And you're right. It is.
            Last edited by OzzyKP; July 1, 2008, 14:39.
            Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

            When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by OzzyKP
              Do they have any reasonable reason to put stricter restrictions on teens then everyone else? Probably not.
              Teen drivers suffer a much higher rate of distraction caused vehicle accident, maiming, and horrible death than do older drivers. One of the most significant graduated restrictions for younger drivers is to limit the number of other teen passengers they may drive.
              Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
              Japher: "crap, did I just post in this thread?"
              "Bloody hell, Lefty.....number one in my list of persons I have no intention of annoying, ever." Bugs ****ing Bunny
              From a 6th grader who readily adpated to internet culture: "Pay attention now, because your opinions suck"

              Comment


              • #8
                That isn't entirely true. Teens on a cell phone are distracted, yes, and their focus on the road dips to be equal to that of someone over 65 not on a cell phone. To outright ban teens on phones is as justified as banning all drivers over 65.

                Furthermore, graduated driver's licenses don't really work. In California at least they haven't had much effect on driving except making teens a bit safer and making those just out of their teens more dangerous. It hasn't prepared people for driving, just delayed their learning curve.

                But even if teens have a generally higher accident rate, there doesn't appear to be anything specific about teens having a bigger problem with cell phones (and hands free phones no less) than other drivers.
                Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by OzzyKP
                  That isn't entirely true. Teens on a cell phone are distracted, yes, and their focus on the road dips to be equal to that of someone over 65 not on a cell phone. To outright ban teens on phones is as justified as banning all drivers over 65.
                  You are aware that teenagers' cell phones are not permanently attached to their hands or ears, right?
                  1011 1100
                  Pyrebound--a free online serial fantasy novel

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OzzyKP
                    To outright ban teens on phones is as justified as banning all drivers over 65.
                    Teens can still drive. They just can't talk on cell phones while they drive. If you ban people from driving when they reach 65 you ban the teens from driving after they reach 65 also.

                    You are a silly man.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arrian
                      I hate people who drive around talking on their phones. And I don't give a flying **** about "hands free." Hands are not the problem - attention is.
                      What about talking to passengers?
                      THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                      AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                      AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                      DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        You are aware that teenagers' cell phones are not permanently attached to their hands or ears, right?
                        Are you sure about that? They seem to be...

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Every close call I have had was either with a school bus or an elderly driver. I have yet to have a problem with people who have cell phones.
                          "Yay Apoc!!!!!!!" - bipolarbear
                          "At least there were some thoughts went into Apocalypse." - Urban Ranger
                          "Apocalype was a great game." - DrSpike
                          "In Apoc, I had one soldier who lasted through the entire game... was pretty cool. I like apoc for that reason, the soldiers are a bit more 'personal'." - General Ludd

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            It is infuriating that the insurgents are now using school buses and the elderly to terrorize iraq. Cell phones detonating IEDs are old school, but that crap just bends the rules of war to Stalinburlesque levels

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I hate the way people sound on those hands free ear pieces plus I refuse to pay $100 for some crappy blue tooth add on. I predict these ****ty things are no safer then regular cell phones when it comes to driving. As it is I will continue to use my speaker phone when driving.
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X