Canada's Star Chambers

[Ben Kenobi]

Faisal Joseph, a lawyer for the Canadian Islamic Congress, told the Canadian Press that the Congress is disappointed the commission made its decision without hearing "the compelling evidence of hate and expert testimony" the Congress recently presented in a complaint to the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal. That tribunal has yet to release a ruling.

The case hasn't been finished yet.

[Ben Kenobi]

The point that Canada has "Star Chambers" that cannot be overturned? You mean, the basis of this thread that I've both contested and factually refuted?

The 100 percent conviction rate. Theoretically they could be overturned, but it's never happened yet.

The point that Canada is a totalitarian society because it's censoring this free speech, when in fact there's been no ruling on this case and no one is being censored here?

The argument is that it has been 6 months in court. Why should the author of a news article have to defend himself in court at all? Maybe you can answer that one.

Every single one of your points was contested and refuted.

Except for the 100 percent conviction rate, and the fact that free speech is under assault here. Labelling a source 'right wing', is not the same as refutation.

Ben, as I have repeatedly tried to explain to you, op-ed pieces are not sources.

Name a source you would find acceptable then. Otherwise the evidence stands.

Why is it so hard for you to just come out and say something you would believe in? Because that would mean you'd have to acknowledge the facts of the matter?

You are hilariously delusional. No one else is arguing with you explicitly like I am because they're not as vicious as I am. They see arguing with you like assaulting a retarded toddler. I have no qualms with it. I'm a mean person. Everyone else here doesn't see a point to jump in, but if you have the capacity to read even the one-off posts of people here, everyone thinks you're bat**** crazy.

Everyone. Right.

It's telling you feel the need to insult to get your point across.

[Ben Kenobi]

'Court sessions were held in secret'.

Yes, the court proceedings are held in seclusion, if not in secret. They have refused to permit cameras or reporters to cover them.

Can you show us which Canadian courts currently act for the state and in secret, and against the state's opponents ?

We've not got there yet, where the state tries and accuses, but we are close. Why don't they prosecute anti-Christian hate?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by LotC
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ans-steyn.html

I just found it odd the Commission even felt the need to investigate this. It's an opinion piece for Christ's sake. The fact this didn't go immediately into the circular file makes this a shameful waste of Canuk government time and money.

[Asher]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I just found it odd the Commission even felt the need to investigate this. It's an opinion piece for Christ's sake.

I thought I'd explained to you how the legal process works in Canada. Evidently need remedial lessons.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Yes, the court proceedings are held in seclusion, if not in secret. They have refused to permit cameras or reporters to cover them.

This is not abnormal and their existence and their rulings are public. You lie constantly.

We've not got there yet, where the state tries and accuses, but we are close. Why don't they prosecute anti-Christian hate?

Has anyone made a complaint? **** off unless you can find one that they refused to listen to.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Mr Snuggles
I thought I'd explained to you how the legal process works in Canada. Evidently need remedial lessons.

The fact this didn't go immediately into the circular file makes this a shameful waste of Canuk government time and money.

It should have been blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain (I assume that includes you) that an article regardless of content could not have been a violation of human rights.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


The case hasn't been finished yet.

Again, you are completely confused.

Ontario ruled it had no jurisdiction.
It is true that British Columbia's tribunal has not issued a ruling.
The federal complaint (this would be "Canada's" as referenced in your title) has been completely dismissed, as of June 26, 2008.

Please stop confusing other people because you've no idea what you're talking about.

[Asher]

I read this and was enraged. The balls these people have to defend their Star Chambers.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080630.wontrights0630/BNStory/National/home

Ontario boosts rights protection

EMMA REILLY

The Canadian Press

June 30, 2008 at 8:34 AM EDT

TORONTO — Ontario residents filing human-rights complaints will have faster service and access to free legal support as a result of changes to the province's Human Rights Code taking effect Monday.

“We're bringing human-rights protection into the 21st century,” Attorney-General Chris Bentley said. “We're making sure that the rights outlined in the code actually have the strong public protection they require.”

The changes to the code streamline the process for individuals who feel they have been discriminated against, Mr. Bentley said.

Under the old system, anyone with a human-rights issue filed a complaint with the Human Rights Commission for review. If the commission ruled that the complaint had legitimacy – a process that could take months to complete – the case would then be referred to the Human Rights Tribunal.

Of the 2,300 complaints filed to the Human Rights Commission in 2006 and 2007, 7 per cent were rejected before being passed to the tribunal. The cases that were referred could then take up to five years to resolve, Mr. Bentley said.

Now, Ontario residents will bring their concerns directly to the tribunal, bypassing the commission. The Ministry of the Attorney-General estimates the new system should complete hearings within one year.

“It's a bit overwhelming if it takes you four to five years to have a hearing,” said Soma Ray-Ellis, a Toronto-based lawyer specializing in human rights and employment issues. “Now, we should be able to see hearings very quickly.”

Ms. Ray-Ellis called the old process “harassing in and of itself.”

Ontario residents will also be able to access free legal advice to guide them through the process, a move that Mr. Bentley calls “the first of its kind in Canada.”

“People who were bringing complaints to the Human Rights Commission realized that the law is pretty complex,” he said. “They needed some legal support.

“They're going to have the type of legal support that they've never had before.”

The legislation also removes a $10,000 cap on awards for “mental anguish” caused by discrimination.

Ms. Ray-Ellis said that is important “because if you look at the United States, you can get millions of dollars in damages for human-rights issues.

“They only protect a few things, but they give you big awards. In Canada, we protect a lot of things, but traditionally we have given out small awards.”

The law also outlines that individuals can now be compensated for injury to dignity, feelings and self-respect.

Other changes to the law include an extension of the window to file a complaint to one year from six months. The previous stipulation eliminated 50 human-rights complaints in 2006 and 2007.

The legislation, passed in December 2006, has been in the works since the 1990s.

Mr. Bentley said the system originated almost 50 years ago and had become outdated and slow.

“There was an almost universal call for change,” he said. “At the end of the day, we don't strengthen human rights protections by procedures that are too slow and too cumbersome.”

[Arrian]

I have to say, though, that I'm not so sure we're a good example to follow here:

The legislation also removes a $10,000 cap on awards for “mental anguish” caused by discrimination.

Ms. Ray-Ellis said that is important “because if you look at the United States, you can get millions of dollars in damages for human-rights issues.

-Arrian

[Asher]

There's some problems with the new legislation -- eg, it really should pay for the defense as well as the complainant. It's not fair to only fund one side.

Then again, the Liberals were never that bright. They're still swearing up and down that increasing tax on oil won't raise the price of gasoline.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Tuberski


If he could do that, it wouldn't be secret would it?

ACK!

They can act or deliberate in secret, but their existence can be known.


Rather like the Star Chamber, in fact.

Why should the author of a news article have to defend himself in court at all? Maybe you can answer that one.

Let's see: because perhaps the article contained lies, knowingly disseminated by the author.

Or because the article was libellous.

Or because the article was designed to instigate hatred for a group (because of their race, or creed, or sexuality) and thus incite violence.

Any reasonably intelligent person could have thought of those.

[molly bloom]

Yes, the court proceedings are held in seclusion

Ben 'Christian' Kenobi

What, as opposed to say the U.S. Supreme Court, which regularly meets by a pretzel stall in Hoboken to decide on a case ?

Or did you have in mind the European Court of Human Rights who come to their deliberations on the London Eye ?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Mr Snuggles
There's some problems with the new legislation -- eg, it really should pay for the defense as well as the complainant. It's not fair to only fund one side.

Then again, the Liberals were never that bright. They're still swearing up and down that increasing tax on oil won't raise the price of gasoline.

No, they've claimed that there wouldn't be any additional tax on gasoline because it's already taxed within their target range of $40-80 per ton of CO2.

[Ben Kenobi]

This is not abnormal and their existence and their rulings are public. You lie constantly.

If there is a public interest in the case they do allow cameras into the court.

Has anyone made a complaint? **** off unless you can find one that they refused to listen to.

I'll start off with Capilano College having a christian student group disbanded by the college. They filed and I believe their complaint has been dismissed.