A long-time lesbian couple believe in the sanctity of marriage.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
I do not support polygamy among heterosexuals, or homosexuals.

By what right do you deny the same equal rights you seek for yourself to others that seek the same access and based on the same reasons?

[Ben Kenobi]

No, you're not. You can marry your partner and get them.

That's discrimination. Why should I have to marry to get the same rights as everyone else? Clearly our word should be good enough. We are currently in a relationship.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


That's discrimination. Why should I have to marry to get the same rights as everyone else? Clearly our word should be good enough. We are currently in a relationship.

The whole purpose of the benefits comes under the guise of a cooperative relationship. That is why.

Please come back and debate me when you can compete on my level.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
By what right do you deny the same equal rights you seek for yourself to others that seek the same access and based on the same reasons?

Historically, and in many cases even today, polygamous relationships among heterosexuals have been about unequal power with the man in such relationships holding dominance and control over his wives. You can probably point out that there are examples today of polygamous relationships where the wives are supposedly on an equal footing with their husband but around the world, isn't the dominant pattern of polygamous relationships is that several women are beholden to their husband as subservient persons?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


That's discrimination. Why should I have to marry to get the same rights as everyone else? Clearly our word should be good enough. We are currently in a relationship.

duh

It's not discrimination because the privileges and rights that come with marriage concerns the relationship between the two spouses - not that of two romantic partners who do not wish to enter into binding responsibilities of a legally contracted relationship (marriage).

[MrFun]

And by the way, there are certainly economic privileges that gay and lesbian partners want that heterosexual married couples take for granted -- Benny is correct in that aspect. But that does not invalidate the argument for equal marriage protection.

There are also other significant issues at stake -- mutual custodial rights of children, automatic hospital visitation rights of a loved one, and so forth.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
Historically, and in many cases even today, polygamous relationships among heterosexuals have been about unequal power with the man in such relationships holding dominance and control over his wives. You can probably point out that there are examples today of polygamous relationships where the wives are supposedly on an equal footing with their husband but around the world, isn't the dominant pattern of polygamous relationships is that several women are beholden to their husband as subservient persons?

That's not really an answer to the question, Fun. That's a reason why you find the type of relationship to be icky.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You evaded my point.

Where does it say in the bible that miscegenation is a bad thing?

How the **** does whether or not the Bible contains anti-miscegenation passages have anything to do with my point about interracial couples valuing their relationship during their own past civil rights struggle?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
That's not really an answer to the question, Fun. That's a reason why you find the type of relationship to be icky.

So, we should extend legal protection of polygamous relationships to further the subordination of women to men since, according to you, that's not really a valid position for opposing legal recognition of polygamy?

[Ninot]

Please not that I said the idea of marriage was linked to biblical verses, not that it was created by them.

Also please note that in no way was I siding with Ben, I was just trying to jump to the point he was trying to make without all the silly back and forth.

Also please note that I think all these lady-weddings are awesome The men marriages too.

[DinoDoc]

I'm asking you to provide a meaningful (rather than one's stemming from your own biases) reason why other groups (polyandrous groups and incestuous relationships) who have been denied equal rights and respect should be denied the same respect you seek now that some states are starting to change the definition of marriage in the pursuit of equal rights.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm asking you to provide a meaningful (rather than one's stemming from your own biases) reason why other groups (polyandrous groups and incestuous relationships) who have been denied equal rights and respect should be denied the same respect you seek now that some states are starting to change the definition of marriage in the pursuit of equal rights.

The economic value of estate becomes seriously compromised once it's divided up among polygamous partners and maybe even to the point that such estate becomes much less worth than it would be otherwise.

And what about custodial rights to children in event of divorces in polygamous relationships? Would they become more complicated and nuanced under the law in such circumstances?

And how would insurance and death benefits work under the law with polygamous relationships?


I can see these, and perhaps other problems with granting legal recognition of polygamous relationships.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ninot
Please not that I said the idea of marriage was linked to biblical verses, not that it was created by them.

Also please note that in no way was I siding with Ben, I was just trying to jump to the point he was trying to make without all the silly back and forth.

Also please note that I think all these lady-weddings are awesome The men marriages too.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrFun
I can see these, and perhaps other problems with granting legal recognition of polygamous relationships.

So because something might be hard to do is reason for you to keep the equal rights you seek to yourself and to deny them to others?

[Theben]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
That's not really an answer to the question, Fun. That's a reason why you find the type of relationship to be icky.

Actually that is a fine answer to your trolling; the state as well as society have reasons to insure their members aren't being abused by other citizenry. As to the rest, values change over time as I'm sure you're aware. It used to be okay to duel to the death. Maybe someday a future society will find polygamy acceptable again, for now it isn't.