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    For 30 years John McCain has claimed to the Veterans Administration that he is 'Totally Disabled' (meaning he has a 100% disability claim with the VA). The VA defines "Totally Disabled" as a vet who has been so wounded and/or disfigured that they are unable to work and are unlikely to ever be able to work again. Because of his claim John McCain has recieved a check every two weeks from the VA since the 1970's; these tax free disability payments currently amount to $58,000 per year.

    The funny thing is when asked how his health is John McCain says he feels fine and is "as fit as an ox". He claims to have no health related problems which would prevent him from maintaining the grueling schedule of the President. My question is who is he lying to? Is he lying to the American people about how healthy he is or has he spent 30 years lying to the VA in order to keep getting money (well over $2 million is disability payments to date)?

    Sunday, June 08, 2008
    Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
    John Aravosis (DC) · 6/08/2008 12:07:00 PM ET

    First off, I find it fascinating that John McCain, who is refusing to vote for the GI Bill for our troops because "it's too generous," is himself getting $58,000 a year, tax-free, from the US government for his military service. Had McCain been getting that amount every year since Vietnam, that would total $2,000,000 for the man who isn't into overgenerous government. I just find that interesting.

    His staff responded with the classic "he was tortured for his country." Yeah, we get it. The torture card. It's to McCain what 9/11 was to Giuliani's candidacy - the never-ending name-drop. Though what McCain's staff actually said was downright, um, we're being nice to Clinton now, so I won't say Clintonian. Here's the quote:

    McCain campaign strategist Mark Salter said Monday night that McCain was technically disabled. "Tortured for his country -- that is how he acquired his disability," Salter said.

    Technically? What does that mean? Usually, it means that under the strict reading of the law, you're covered, but in fact it's kind of a nudge-nudge-wink-wink situation - that's what "technically" means. It's called parsing, which is something you do to "technically" claim something is true, when on its face it really isn't. So is McCain "technically" disabled, and taking $58,000 a year tax free from the government, or is he actually disabled? I would imagine there are other solders who are actually disabled who could use the money. And if he is actually disabled, just how disabled is he?

    I think our troops should only get the best, and we've beaten up the administration a lot for leaving our injured troops and vets in the lurch. But I also remember from those articles how hard it is for our current injured troops to get the health care they need (the military is actually refusing to diagnose PTSD in order to save money on benefits!). I'm just not sure that the McCains, who own "eight or nine houses," should be getting $58k a year tax-free from the government for a "technical" disability when others who don't have families worth a gazillion dollars could use that support a lot more. The median household income in the US in 2006 was $48,201. I know vets who have done well for themselves in the workplace and, as a result, refuse to take any federal medical benefits. They feel it would simply be wrong to take what amounts to federal welfare when they're rich.

    I mean, the man built his own lake to go fishing at one of his 8 or 9 houses. Yes, he served his country. But something is wrong when we're paying millionaires $58,000 a year, especially when those same millionaires complaine that we were being "overly-generous" to our troops currently fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. At the very least, it's terribly hypocritical.

    PS Let's not forget that the Republicans decided that the last election should be about whether a Vietnam war hero, who was awarded the Purple Heart, really was injured enough to get those medals. Imagine what the Republicans would have done had the Democratic candidate been profiting to the tune of $58,000 a year from the feds for a "disability" that didn't stop him from staying in the military another eight years, where he took over the command of a training squadron, and which didn't stop him from later getting elected to the US Congress for 26 years. Yes, you can be disabled and do all that, but again, imagine had the Democratic candidate had the vigor of John McCain, while claiming to be disabled to the tune of $58k a year. They'd eviscerate us. And they did, when the candidate was John Kerry.

    A Second PS: Imagine had the Democratic candidate served in Vietnam, been captured, and then made propaganda videos for the enemy while claiming all the while to be a hero. That's a story for another day, but just imagine had our candidate run on his war record, and used his captivity to justify $58,000 a year in benefits, when during such captivity he made propaganda videos for the enemy. I have a feeling our guy would be laughed out of the race.
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    you can always count on US politics for enjoyment

    our politicians over are quite boring in this regard...
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    • #3
      Re: McCain is considered 100% disabled by the VA

      Originally posted by Oerdin
      For 30 years John McCain has claimed to the Veterans Administration that he is 'Totally Disabled' (meaning he has a 100% disability claim with the VA). The VA defines "Totally Disabled" as a vet who has been so wounded and/or disfigured that they are unable to work and are unlikely to ever be able to work again. Because of his claim John McCain has recieved a check every two weeks from the VA since the 1970's; these tax free disability payments currently amount to $58,000 per year.

      The funny thing is when asked how his health is John McCain says he feels fine and is "as fit as an ox". He claims to have no health related problems which would prevent him from maintaining the grueling schedule of the President. My question is who is he lying to? Is he lying to the American people about how healthy he is or has he spent 30 years lying to the VA in order to keep getting money (well over $2 million is disability payments to date)?

      http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/w...#disqus_thread
      When I was a teenager in the 70's, my family would travel up and down the west coast during the summer and I got to play great volleyball with some great players. One of the guys I met had a sustantial VA disability (I dont remember the percentage) from an accident with a F4-Phantom nose-cone on an aircraft carrier. I remember being surprised about that because he played volleyball for UCLA! Although he was scarred from the surgeries the only disability he had was slightly restricted movement of his arms above his head.

      I sincerely hope I see lots more attacks on John McCain similar to the drivel from John Aravosis. Oerdin, way to spread the word about the Dems ridiculous opinions
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      • #4
        Spencer, it is interesting that you think someone can claim they're so disabled that they'll never be able to hold a job is a joking matter. If McCain is so disabled that he claims to be "totally disabled" and is unable to hold a job ever then why is he telling the American people that he's "fit as an ox"? He's either lying to the American people or he's lying to the VA but he can't be telling the truth to both.

        Since McCain has held a job all these decades I'd say he's cheated needy vets out of $2 million.
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        • #5
          I love tearing ignorant people apart. Spencer should post more.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Oerdin

            Since McCain has held a job all these decades I'd say he's cheated needy vets out of $2 million.
            I don't know if he didn't partially have a right to this, but in essense this is true...
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            • #7
              Who are you voting for, Oerdin? Who did you vote for in the primary? All I've seen is negative remarks on every single candidate.

              Tell us who.
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              • #8
                I've voted for Obama in the primary though if he takes Hillary as VP I'll find a nice 3rd party candidate to vote for. Either way I'd say he has it in the bag.
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                • #9
                  BTW, at least with the modern standards listed on the VA's website, you must be blind or be missing the use of two limbs to be considered "totally disabled" by the VA. While I understand that they may have been more generous in the past it still seems wrong for a man who clearly has all of his limbs and senses to claim he is totally disabled and requiring government assistance for the rest of his life.
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                  • #10
                    Here be a blog post responding to this at firstdraft.com:



                    You are confusing VA and Dept. of Navy. Title 38 covers Veteran's benefits from the Veteran's Affairs Dept. , and the section quoted above deals with "total disability due to unemployability. Disability ratings in the armed forces is done through Physical Evaluation Boards and if the service member is found “Physically unable to perform the duties of his grade,” he/she can be awarded a disability per cent ranging from 10 to 75 percent, since the percent is the per cent of pay from his/her active duty pay (and the max retirement pay is 75% of active pay). One would need at least 30% rating to be retired. Either a 10% or 20% ratings would reduce in separation from service with pay.

                    If the award is 30 per cent or more the service member is placed on the retired list. "McCain was probably rated by a board of the Navy and found disabled at a certain percentage of disability. In addition he may have also spent enough time in the Navy to retire after 20 or more years. So the portion that is for disability is tax free, while anything over and above, if any, might be taxable.

                    The VA rating is a parallel universe--it is completely separate from the armed forces and uses different standards and pay scale. Under the “total disabled due to unemployable” provision a veteran who is rated with a less than “total” rating, but is disabled severely, can receive disability compensation at the” total” level. If the service member spent less than 20 years in the service, he/she would choose whichever of the military/navy retirement pay or VA compensation is greater.

                    So one could receive a VA disability rating of 50% that is 100% tax free or receive a 100% rating that is 100% tax free, whereas in the military retirement system, it would be possible to receive no less than 30% but no more than 75% rating, but that could be 100% tax free. Confusing, I know. Just try navigating these universes trying to get your just due!


                    And another:

                    The requirements for qualifying for disability from military service are NOT the same as those for disability under VA or Social Security. For military disability the determination is based on the degree to which the injuries preclude the service member from performing the duties commensurate with the indidual's rank and qualifications.

                    All service members are evaluated for military disability when retiring and given a disability ratings from 0% to 100%, in 10% increments. Each increment must be determined as "service related" or "not service related." A service member is eligible for tax-free disability pay if they have at least 30% service-related disability.

                    The tax free disability pay is basically equal to the disability percentage times the retirement pay. The disability pay replaces an identical amount of retired pay; i.e., the service member cannot get full retirement pay plus disability pay.
                    So, someone eligible for 30% tax-free disability gets the same retirement pay as someone of the same rank and years of service with no disability, except that 30% of the pay is tax free.

                    At the time of his retirement, then-Capt. McCain suffered from post-traumatic osteoarthritis and a number of other diseases and ailments which were determined to preclude continued full service. By law, for former POW's any disability due to those medical problems or diseases MUST be identified as service-related and entitle the service member to tax free disability pay.

                    When he retired as a Navy Captain in 1981 after more than 22 years of service Sen. McCain was entitled to retirement pay equal to 55% of a Captain's base pay. The initial retirement pay was about $20,493, based on 1981 military pay tables. Since then it is been increased nearly annually by the same percentage amount as active duty pay has increased resulting in a current retirement pay of about $57,000. Sen. McCain's 100% military disability rating simply makes the pay tax free.

                    (Technically I believe that under the law he gets that amount as disability compensation and it offsets against his retirement pay, reducing the retirement pay to zero. Under the law service members cannot receive both military retirement pay and military disability compensation for the same period of service.)
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                    • #11
                      Another interesting response to same one:

                      holden,

                      Building on what Phil had to say...


                      Lemme address this to help clarify what's happening here, as I receive a similar, if lesser, Disability Pension. First, the article doesn't come out and say he's 100% Disabled... that is only inferred. Nor does it say HOW he retired-- via the VA or via the Navy. Big difference between the two programs. I went through the VA, and because my Disability percentage was over 40%, and deemed "Service Connected," my Disability is also Tax-Free and Off-Book.

                      I was "Medically Retired" of the Navy in 1996, for Seizure Disorder (caused by OJT exposure to Toluene)-- that's 40% Disability, I fell in my first seizure, onto the steel weather-decks and broke my back in three places-- 30%, and in a second seizure, I dislocated my right shoulder-- 10%.

                      I'm already at 70% from two seizures in as many weeks. Ad hearing loss-- 10%, and a bunk knee-- 5%, and I'm considered 85% Disabled.

                      That is how it works-- every injury is assigned a percentage, and it gets added up to a total Disability. In the case of 100% Disability, a secondary %-age comes into play, and this one assesses one's ability for future work. ove 100%(50%), one can claim TOTAL Disability, and live off of one's Disability Pension and Social Security, but never, ever take a paid job where a W-2 is generated.

                      Under that, one can work, under medical limitations. I doubt that ol' Johnny has lifted a 40-pound bag of anything in a long time. He's probably restricted to 20-pounds or less-- as I am. But, I am a working man anyhow, and I keep trying to build myself, instead of giving in to the Disability. I keep on having seizures, and injuring myself every year.

                      I was a Petty Officer 3rd Class (E-4) when I was retired, and my Disability Pension is about $1000 per month-- NOT taxed, and off-book, because I retired through the VA. I usually put that cash to work supporting smaller bloggers and Progressive ideas, and expanding my gardens.

                      McSame was an Officer, and he served longer than I did, and so, his Disability Pension is higher.

                      There really isn't much of a story there, except that he's announced his AltGI Bill, which totally ****s the Troops, while he slurps the big tit.

                      THAT is the story. Not that he's Disabled. I'd bet Jim Webb or any of the other Veteran Senate and Congresscritters are getting similar Disability payments.

                      I hope that this helped clarify the situation.

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                      • #12
                        Arthritis? Jesus H Christ.
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                        • #13
                          The amount of disability is determined by the VA.There are two ways to be assaigned 100% disability; the inability to work, multiple injuries. McCain's disability is multiple injuries, each assigned a percentage. While it is difficult to get 100% disability without being totaly unable to work, given enough lesser disability injuries it could happen. Descriptions of McCain's captivity indicate numerrous injuries are possible, many which would be consider a 50% disability on there own.

                          So, to say McCain cheated other vets is ignorance of how VA benefit system works.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            BTW, at least with the modern standards listed on the VA's website, you must be blind or be missing the use of two limbs to be considered "totally disabled" by the VA. While I understand that they may have been more generous in the past it still seems wrong for a man who clearly has all of his limbs and senses to claim he is totally disabled and requiring government assistance for the rest of his life.
                            He was a POW for 5 1/2 years.

                            PRISONERS OF WAR: Former prisoners of war (POW's) who were held captive for at least 30 days are entitled to a presumption of service connection for disabilities resulting from certain diseases if they manifest to a degree of 10% or greater, regardless how long after release from active duty the problems were discovered.

                            The laws pertaining to POW's are constantly changing, so please call the VA or the POW hotline to find out about new benefits for the POW or his/ her spouse/dependents.

                            The national hotline is offered with 24-hour service to assist former POW's at 1-800-821-8139

                            McCain shattered his knee and broke both arms when he was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967.

                            In his autobiographies, McCain said that his knee still bothered him in cold weather and that he was unable to raise his hands above his shoulders.

                            Elmo Baker, a retired colonel and president of a Vietnam War POW group, said many former POWs were receiving some type of military pension that was partly or fully tax-free.

                            Baker said he was receiving payments that were 70% tax-free, but that he "didn't have as many injuries as McCain did."

                            Many of the Vietnam POWs are receiving payment under a program known as "combat-related special compensation," which provides benefits and tax exemptions under a complex system, based on such factors as the type of injury and the years of service.
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                            • #15
                              Personally, I decide my vote based on a candidate's political views and programs.

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