Texas high court creates integrity unit

[Wezil]

Good argument Sloww. I'm convinced.

[Asher]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I'll tell all of you what, screw this.
I'm tired of the ignorant generalitiies about Texas, the miltary and the USA. I don't need this crap.

I'm out of here, at least for a while. Enjoy your fantasies.

No need to leave.

[Ben Kenobi]

I watched a show that showed prison in Canada, told the wife if I ever decide to go on a crime spree it will be in Canada.

Yep, at least you can be reasonably sure to have justice in Texas.

[Theben]

This would be the Christian in you that thinks state-sponsored killing is a good idea, right?

[Ben Kenobi]

This would be the Christian in you that thinks state-sponsored killing is a good idea, right?

Unlike you I think that it's wrong to kill people, and that includes the unborn.

Why are you so sanctimonious Theban?

I don't see how you can support abortion funding and be against "state sponsored killing". They are the same thing.

[Arrian]

Not if you don't think fetuses are human beings yet, Ben.

Having said that, if one *does* see fetuses as human, then one is obviously morally obligated to fight abortion, because it is then obviously murder. That follows quite logically. I don't see it as murder, and favor reducing demand (sex ed, birth control). We disagree on all that, obviously.

Execution (of a competant adult) isn't the same thing as killing an innocent child (again, to the extent one believes a fetus = a human being) - that we do agree on. It's used in response to a heinous crime by an adult who knows what they did was wrong (usually...). While I remain anti-DP, my reason remains the imperfection of the justice system. Theoretically, I'm pro-DP.

As for Sloww's reaction to this thread, it's pretty sad. I'll leave it at that.

-Arrian

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Unlike you I think that it's wrong to kill people

So you think Bush was completely wrong for invading Afghanistan and Iraq?

And you are against the death penalty?

And believe guns serve no reasonable purpose in society?

[Ben Kenobi]

Not if you don't think fetuses are human beings yet, Ben.

So you just believe we pop out and suddenly become persons when we are born?

Having said that, if one *does* see fetuses as human, then one is obviously morally obligated to fight abortion, because it is then obviously murder. That follows quite logically. I don't see it as murder, and favor reducing demand (sex ed, birth control). We disagree on all that, obviously.

Saying sex ed reduces demand is like saying drivers ed reduces automobile use.

Execution (of a competant adult) isn't the same thing as killing an innocent child

For sure. At least the adult gets a trial, and can be held innocent. The same isn't as true for an unborn child.

[Ben Kenobi]

So you think Bush was completely wrong for invading Afghanistan and Iraq?

Yes. I also believe that the decision to go is a commitment to do the job right. You don't mess things up and then leave before they've been fixed.

And you are against the death penalty?

Yes, I am. I would prefer a death penalty to club Fed. I think it's very important that there is a deterrent to crime, and right now here in Canada, prisoners live better then they did on the outside.

And believe guns serve no reasonable purpose in society?

I presume you've never hunted. Are you sure you are a westerner Asher? You seem the carbon copy of most Torontonians I know.

First off, guns can be used in constructive ways, for self defense. It's been shown that states with concealed carry have lower crime rates, just because there is a greater chance that the person you are trying to rob is going to have a gun.

Secondly, they can and are used to hunt animals of all kinds. I don't own a gun myself, and I won't have one in my house, but I have gone hunting with friends and family on occasion, and I believe people should be allowed to own guns for self defense if that is what they want.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Yes. I also believe that the decision to go is a commitment to do the job right. You don't mess things up and then leave before they've been fixed.

Yes, I am. I would prefer a death penalty to club Fed. I think it's very important that there is a deterrent to crime, and right now here in Canada, prisoners live better then they did on the outside.

It's awesome in both of these statements, you contradict yourself. And you don't even realize it.

I presume you've never hunted. Are you sure you are a westerner Asher? You seem the carbon copy of most Torontonians I know.

Never hunted, no. No reason to.

The most pathetic people in the world are the hunters who climb up into little hunting posts up in the trees to shoot unsuspecting animals.

First off, guns can be used in constructive ways, for self defense.

Eg, to kill people?

It's been shown that states with concealed carry have lower crime rates

It's also been shown that countries with gun bans have far lower crime rates.

Secondly, they can and are used to hunt animals of all kinds.

Oh, yes, that is so constructive in, say, Dallas and Houston.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


So you just believe we pop out and suddenly become persons when we are born?

No, I don't. I think that at some point during the development of the fetus it becomes more or less human. I cannot pin-point exactly when, but for the time being I'm ok with the idea that abortion should be restricted to the first trimester.

Saying sex ed reduces demand is like saying drivers ed reduces automobile use.

Demand for abortions, Ben, not sex.

For sure. At least the adult gets a trial, and can be held innocent. The same isn't as true for an unborn child.

Agreed.

-Arrian

[Ben Kenobi]

It's awesome in both of these statements, you contradict yourself. And you don't even realize it.

How so?

I eat cow and chicken and pig. I don't eat people.

Never hunted, no. No reason to.

The most pathetic people in the world are the hunters who climb up into little hunting posts up in the trees to shoot unsuspecting animals.

You ever try shooting a goose? They are really hard to hit. Why do you insult something you have no clue about? There's nothing wrong with hunting Canada Geese, heck I could probably get the government to pay me for doing so.

Eg, to kill people?

Sure someone comes up to you. I don't carry a gun myself, but I can understand those who do.

Oh, yes, that is so constructive in, say, Dallas and Houston.

You know there is life outside the big cities.

No wonder you left Alberta for Toronto. That will leave NYE as our only true Albertan.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You know there is life outside the big cities.

No wonder you left Alberta for Toronto. That will leave NYE as our only true Albertan.

I am moving back to Alberta in under a year, and am already scoping out condos.

I don't think nye hunts either.

You're the only redneck here.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
First off, guns can be used in constructive ways, for self defense. It's been shown that states with concealed carry have lower crime rates, just because there is a greater chance that the person you are trying to rob is going to have a gun.

Only by massively fudging the data and ignoring other evidence. States with gun bans have much lower crime rates than states where they have concealed carry laws.

[DinoDoc]

How do you figure DC into that?