Is D&D fun? I'm thinking about getting into it.

[Lord Avalon]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


My barbariang got Cleave, and yes it is a very good friend. But I think Greater cleave may be overrated, I mean how often does it happen that you are fighting enemies you have good chances of killing with one blow twice in a row, and if you are fighting such characters then aren't you and your party able to handle them anyway?

Well, if there are two monsters with low enough HPs, you might kill them both and get another attack.

[DarkCloud]

D&D is still around?

the fact that the creator died at an early age should be an indication not to play and go out and exercise.

Early age? He was 70? That's only 4-6 years short of natural life expectancy for a male in his country.

I suspect you're just trolling though Dis... I know you played DnD.

[DarkCloud]

And heavens Dis, DnD was invented around 1973 only after Gygax invented several other wargames. He was somewhat of a visionary.

It was a major leap forward in game design in that it advanced the genre of gaming from miniatures and tactical studies to a more fantastical and open-ended nature thus reflecting the advance of modern American society from the close-mindedness of the 1950s and into the unbridled creativity of the new and coming information and collaboration ages.

--
A note for anyone who disses DnD... That's okay, but in response, just how is following sports or watching football/soccer/futbol or soap operas or entertainment television any more useful for your life? In DnD you have to use your imagination to create things and think and, it's interactive. You have to interface with others and actually communicate and exercise and build social skills and problem solving skills.

[DarkCloud]

Lovecraft and Tolkein were inspirations for DnD, but previous posters neglected the influence of the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series.

Of the Three, arguably, only Lovecraft was a notable and Great Author, admittedly. Stephen King lists Lovecraft as his number one inspiration, and additionally Lovecraft's works are collected in the American Library Great Authors compilation, a feat achieved by few.

I will admit, I enjoyed the Hobbit, and the Silmarillion, but do not consider Tolkein a good author. He's passable, but not worthy of emulation. He's important because he opened up a genre, rather than because he had good literary skills.

[Dis]

Originally posted by DarkCloud

Early age? He was 70? That's only 4-6 years short of natural life expectancy for a male in his country.

I suspect you're just trolling though Dis... I know you played DnD.

haven't played since I was like 14. And we were never very organized. We just liked to **** around. In fact, my last instance playing we were drinking beer. In fact, I think it was drinking beer that killed any need to play pnp d&d

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Heraclitus



My barbariang got Cleave, and yes it is a very good friend. But I think Greater cleave may be overrated, I mean how often does it happen that you are fighting enemies you have good chances of killing with one blow twice in a row, and if you are fighting such characters then aren't you and your party able to handle them anyway?

Yeah, I used to think that too.

Then my character started getting hit with swarms of spiders, rats, shadows and other low hp baddies with special attacks.

[DarkCloud]

Mad Monk- You had a good DM in that case

Dis- Hmm... Fair enough.

[DarkCloud]

On another related note:

http://paizo.com/rpgsuperstar

A competition for those of you who enjoy crafting magical items for DnD.

The prize is a commission to write a to-be-published adventure.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Dry
But what bothers me most with 4th edition are those 1HP monsters.
It seems that when you encounter a group of monsters, many of them, while being the same level as their normal counterpart, have in fact 1HP. They are killable with one hit.
So, you encounter 8 gobelins. 2 of them are ordinary 3rd level fighters, with HP related to 3rd level monsters, but 6 of them, although having all characteristics of 3rd level gobelins, have only 1 HP.
WTF?!?

I actually think that's one of the clever aspects of 4e. The enemies are your level, so the chance to hit each other is balanced, but they're only 1hp, so you can butcher a whole room full of people. The idea being that a squad of minions is equal to another regular monster.

Keep in mind that even a lvl 1 Kobold slinger has 24 hp. So without minions, fights against nameless mooks would take forever.

The new rules do reduce the differences between playing the classes, but I think they look pretty promising. I'm sure, once supplemental materials come out, that we'll start to see some cool stuff out there. It's more of a game where everybody can play along, than the old editions. I think it's better to have low level wizards who attack with magic than with a crappy quarterstaff or something. It's jarring to traditionalists, but I think it's a step in the right direction.

I haven't played it, so I'm only speculating, but I think it could be fun.

[Straybow]

Keep in mind that even a lvl 1 Kobold slinger has 24 hp. So without minions, fights against nameless mooks would take forever.

Con + 10? Con = 14? Kobold?

[Dry]

Originally posted by Straybow

Keep in mind that even a lvl 1 Kobold slinger has 24 hp. So without minions, fights against nameless mooks would take forever.

Con + 10? Con = 14? Kobold?

Is it not Con + 10 + 5/lvl or something like that?

EDIT: Felch is right and Kobold slinger con=11 http://dnd4.com/dd-4th-edition-monsters

[Japher]

Chaotic Evil is much more fun

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
BTW The campagin is getting interesting. My barbarian is level 5 and has gone chaotic evil. It appears the guy who hired us on behalf of a unnamed customer has stabbed his eyes out. Also small children cry when they see our party, we also apparently feel a great sense of unease and darkness (which is odd considering that we where all pretty evil by the time we killed that little girl protected by party with the cleric & paladin) so why would we have a problem with that?



In any case we've decided to resurect the girl to get some information about who has been hiring us to do some pretty nasty things in the past few weeks. After that I think she will fit nicley into the borthel we started running after killing off a local crime lord and taking his den for our own.


Also that orphanage clearly attacked us so I don't see why there should be a bounty on our heads for that.

What the hell are you playing? Grand Theft D&D?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk


What the hell are you playing? Grand Theft D&D?

The DM joked about that too, he now starts his online recaps with "previously on The Sopranos"

[Wraith]

--"Wraith: Shadowrun is a Tolkien ripoff combined with a Gibson ripoff for twice the silliness."

You apparently didn't bother to note the sentence structure there. AD&D and Shadowrun were my examples of your derivative-tolkein-rip-off comment. The rest of the sentence contains examples of exceptions.

--"the fact that the creator died at an early age"

As noted, not really. Besides... ^_^

--"I read the 4e PHB a couple months back, and it seems they've changed D&D into a pencil-and-paper video game, casting fireballs at will and such."

Haven't seen any 4e stuff yet, but what I've been reading about it here isn't promising.

--"Our group made the switch to GURPS recently."

GURPS can be good fun, and there's some really interesting expansion books out there. I've even got a Discworld one ^_^

--"The closest I've ever come to a PnP RPG is somebody trying to rope me into playing Magic in elementary school."

CCGs aren't really comparable to pen-and-paper RPGs.

--"but previous posters neglected the influence of the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser series."

It's one of my favorite series, and I could see the connection being there, but has it ever been explicitly stated? I'm curious now.

--"but they're only 1hp, so you can butcher a whole room full of people."

If that's your goal, you should be interested in this game.

Unfortunately, this all makes it sound like they're focusing more on the dungeon-crawl, hack-and-slash stuff than the roleplaying stuff. Probably makes it easier to license the rules to computer game companies...

Wraith
First Rule of Gaming: If they split up, giggle insanely