A Great Hero Turns 97!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Wellll... if you can cheer the US winning in X country, why can't che cheer the Vietnamese defeating the US?

In the long run it was probably a good thing for the US anyway, because it taught us an important lesson.

Never fight a land war in Asia? I don't think they learned that lesson.

[Imran Siddiqui]

About hubris, che

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Wellll... if you can cheer the US winning in X country, why can't che cheer the Vietnamese defeating the US?

In the long run it was probably a good thing for the US anyway, because it taught us an important lesson.

Like let the military fight the war if you're going to send them?
LBJ should have told his commanding officer, "Take Hanoi. Call me when it's done."
It was conducted by bull**** methods.


Besides that, he's in the same country as me. If he hates it so much, then let him go. Kick rocks. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

[chequita guevara]

So you think the U.S. should have gone to war with a nuclear power, since China planned to intervene if the U.S. invaded the North?

As for holding the military back, LBJ let the military do everything it wanted, except bomb within ten miles of the Chinese border, to avoid starting a war with China.

You think millions more should have died for your happy feelings? Yet you deny you're blood thirsty.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Besides that, he's in the same country as me. If he hates it so much, then let him go. Kick rocks. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Actually he's glad the US lost BECAUSE he loves the country and what it is supposed to stand for.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Besides that, he's in the same country as me. If he hates it so much, then let him go. Kick rocks. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Actually he's glad the US lost BECAUSE he loves the country and what it is supposed to stand for.

[Theben]

I'd have been happier if the damn war never started. There certainly wasn't any need.

And no, Imran, we didn't learn hubris either. IF we had, we wouldn't be in Iraq. Hell, we wouldn't have been in Vietnam, based on the lessons of the Phillippine-American War.

[Imran Siddiqui]

But we did for like 30 years.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by notyoueither

Let America Be America Again - Langston Hughes

Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)

Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me,
Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?

I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!

[LordShiva]

Giap was a genius and a patriot who kicked out two foreign occupiers from his country, with an inferior military and no formal training. to him for that

[chequita guevara]

His pwning of the French was sheer brilliance, not mitigated by the stupidity of the French.

[LordShiva]

It's hard to argue that teh French were teh good guys.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Giap was a genius and a patriot who kicked out two foreign occupiers from his country, with an inferior military and no formal training. to him for that

It was no different than North and South Korea.

[LordShiva]

Huh?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
You're disgusting.

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How can you call him disgusting? You admitted to being a member of the baby killing brigades further up the thread.

How many peasants did you shoot up?