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  • #136
    Originally posted by MarkG
    can you be an ally with a nation that accuses you of oppressing a minority of it's people?



    The answer is yes, it can happen in two ways:

    1. alliance against a common enemy
    2. alliance where the big country shuts the little country the f*** up, and then tells it to be a quiet little vassal
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    • #137
      Originally posted by MarkG
      how about language, religion, customs?
      France and Italy are both Chatolic. Not the same nation.

      Mexico and Venezuela are both mostly chatolic countries and share a language (Spanish). They are not the same nation.

      Do I need to go on?
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • #138
        Originally posted by MarkG
        after the various alexander depictions, i've given up on firaxis artists and leader's art...
        I hope you agree with me that the Blond Alexander is an atrocity.
        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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        • #139
          I just had an idea! What if give both of the countries back to the Turks! That way there would be no problem with naming them.
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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          • #140
            Originally posted by Heraclitus
            France and Italy are both Chatolic. Not the same nation.

            Mexico and Venezuela are both mostly chatolic countries and share a language (Spanish). They are not the same nation.

            Do I need to go on?
            yes.

            both of your examples dont have all three (of possibly more) criteria
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            • #141
              Originally posted by MarkG
              can you be an ally with a nation that accuses you of oppressing a minority of it's people?
              Greece is an ally of Turkey, is it not?
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #142
                There is no concept of "minority" in Greece, what with Greece being 99% Greek while having a million non-Greeks.

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                • #143
                  World Championship of Petty Nationalism, current standings:

                  1. Greece
                  2. Turkey
                  3. Armenia
                  4. Slovenia
                  5. Russia
                  6. Hungary
                  7. Serbia
                  8. Croatia
                  9. Poland

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by VetLegion
                    World Championship of Petty Nationalism, current standings:

                    1. Greece
                    2. Turkey
                    3. Armenia
                    4. Slovenia?!
                    5. Russia
                    6. Hungary
                    7. Serbia
                    8. Croatia
                    9. Poland


                    How the hell are we on number 4? We have one border dispute with one of our neighbours (incidentaly its Croatia), we have two recongised and protected minorities, with barley 80% of our population considering itself Slovenian.


                    We are not perfect but to put us three spots over Serbs and one spot over Russia is just a bit too much. I mean have you met Serb? Croatia has border issues with all of its neighburing countries: Slovenia, Serbia and Hungary. Note how they are all above Croatia in the petty nationalism list.

                    In any case its hard to make a case for petty nationalism withot a history of petty nationalistic wars.

                    Also I find the whol putting Greece on the first spot thing waaaay to harsh.


                    And lastly if you live in a developed countries you aren't nationalistic you are patriotic.

                    Quality of life

                    High Income Countries

                    Patriotic:

                    25 France
                    26 Germany
                    27 Slovenia
                    28 Malta
                    29 United Kingdom
                    30 South Korea

                    Nationalisitic:

                    48 Poland
                    49 Croatia
                    50 Turkey
                    51 Trinidad and Tobago
                    52 Ecuador

                    See?

                    I suppose I now have to stop arguing against Greece since they are higher on the list than us? Well that is only true if they have a recognised and protected minorities like us.
                    Last edited by Heraclitus; May 26, 2008, 17:28.
                    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                    • #145
                      Originally posted by VetLegion
                      There is no concept of "minority" in Greece, what with Greece being 99% Greek while having a million non-Greeks.
                      Is this true MarkG? You don't have any recognised minorities?
                      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                      • #146
                        we don't need arguments.
                        we need music and love

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                        • #147
                          Who are you?
                          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                          • #148
                            someone close to that

                            Νίνο Ξυπολιτάς - Φοβάμαι
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFA3wvrLu6A
                            Στίχοι: Βασίλης ΓιαννόπουλοςΜουσική: Χριστόφορος ΓερμενήςΠρώτη εκτέλεση: Νίνο ΞυπολιτάςΔεν φταίει η νύχτα που'χει τόση παγωνιά και σα φωτιά σε περιμένω.. Φτα...

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                            • #149
                              Well the music is ok, kind of. You seem to be a lurker. Try posting more, lurkers scare the Pazi, soon the PAZI movement will find a final solution to the lurker question.


                              PS Sorry if I seem spamtastic, I'm going through a post random stuff phase.
                              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Heraclitus
                                How the hell are we on number 4? We have one border dispute with one of our neighbours (incidentaly its Croatia), we have two recongised and protected minorities, with barley 80% of our population considering itself Slovenian.

                                We are not perfect but to put us three spots over Serbs and one spot over Russia is just a bit too much.


                                I agree with you, but hey those are the standings, if you don't like them take them up with the commitee, not me. I think using the EU presidency to advance petty nationalist goals got you quite a few points

                                Croatia has border issues with all of its neighburing countries: Slovenia, Serbia and Hungary.


                                Not with Hungary!

                                Also I find the whol putting Greece on the first spot thing waaaay to harsh.


                                What? If there's anything that's correct on that list it's that they're the undisputed world champion.

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