Macedonia

[LordShiva]

Greeks claim Alexander as their own, too, so I guess you're even there.

[Alexander I]

Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by MarkG
hmmm 6 months ago they renamed the skopje airport to "alexander the great"

Megas Alexandros traveled the world as far as India, but ironically, I doubt he ever set foot in Skopje.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Aeson
I am Macedonia.

I am Macedonia.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Greeks claim Alexander as their own, too, so I guess you're even there.

there is a small difference created by the facts backing the greek case

but you can ignore them if you like and build your own fantasy version of history. it makes everything easier

[Heraclitus]

Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by MarkG
hmmm 6 months ago they renamed the skopje airport to "alexander the great"
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../12/2006_78322

Well he was an important part of that countries history its like Mexico naming something after the Aztecks.

Originally posted by MarkG
there is a small difference created by the facts backing the greek case

but you can ignore them if you like and build your own fantasy version of history. it makes everything easier

Alexander was Macedonian, and some consider the Macedonians where hellenised Thracians, people like William Mitchell Ramsay. In any case the Greeks of ancient times considered Macedonians half-Greeks at best.

[LordShiva]

Alexander was as Greek as Charlemagne was Roman

[MarkG]

Re: Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by Alexander I
Megas Alexandros traveled the world as far as India, but ironically, I doubt he ever set foot in Skopje.

he might have. Skopje was inhabited by the Dardani which were often in war with the Macedonians

[Heraclitus]

Leave Macedonia alone!



First they got their ass kicked by just about everyone and then partitioned amongst their neighbours. Greeks claiming they where Greeks, Bulgars that they where Bulgars and Serbs that the where Serbs and if that isn't enough they will loose their country to Albanians anyway.

Leave Macedonia alone! :better crying:

[Heraclitus]

Re: Re: Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by MarkG
he might have. Skopje was inhabited by the Dardani which were often in war with the Macedonians

Duh? We are talking about the medeival definiton of the word not the ancient one.


But true Macedonians have as much right to the name Macedonian as the silly Bavarians having a province called Carinthia.

[Alexander I]

Re: Re: Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by MarkG
he might have. Skopje was inhabited by the Dardani which were often in war with the Macedonians

Funny that the FYROMites claim Alexander as their patron, considering he was at war with the ancient inhabitants of their country. (Mind you, the same could probably be said of Greece.)

[Heraclitus]

Re: Re: Re: Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by Alexander I


Funny that the FYROMites claim Alexander as their patron, considering he was at war with the ancient inhabitants of their country. (Mind you, the same could probably be said of Greece.)

History has its ironic twists dosen't it?

[MarkG]

wow arguments!

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Well he was an important part of that countries history its like Mexico naming something after the Aztecks.

that would be like the Polish naming an airport after Hitler

Alexander was Macedonian, and some consider the Macedonians where hellenised Thracians, people like William Mitchell Ramsay.

let's assume for a moment that this is true (although it would a bit too much for a hellenised tribe to claim it's origin to Hercules, wouldnt it?). even a hellenized tribe is, well, hellenic, right? as in, nothing to do with slavs?? (and es, lets also forget slavs didnt exist at the time)

In any case the Greeks of ancient times considered Macedonians half-Greeks at best.

ah yes, the old Demosthenes argument, as old as the internet itself and more, where a single quote of someone trying to convince the Athenians to go to war with the Macedonians is transformed into the general opinion of greeks for macedonians....

[Heraclitus]

The European Bureau for Lesser-Used Languages is of the opinion that the language spoken by the Slavophone Greeks in Greek Macedonia should in fact be called "Macedonian"[46] and it appropriate recognises it as such.[47]

If they get to call their language Macedonian then why not their country?

[MarkG]

Re: Re: Re: Re: see what happens when you start with specifics?

Originally posted by Alexander I
(Mind you, the same could probably be said of Greece.)

you are aware that ancient greeks were separated in city-states which were often at war with other, right?

[Heraclitus]

Re: wow arguments!

Originally posted by MarkG
that would be like the Polish naming an airport after Hitler

Wait 2000 years before scofing at the idea. Many Chinese admire Kublai Khan. Many Frenchmen admire Julius Caesar.
Greeks who live in Athens admire Alexander.

Many people admire Napoleon. Hitler is teh evil currently but this may not last.

Originally posted by MarkG
that would be like the Polish naming an airport after Hitler

Alexander was Macedonian, and some consider the Macedonians where hellenised Thracians, people like William Mitchell Ramsay.

let's assume for a moment that this is true (although it would a bit too much for a hellenised tribe to claim it's origin to Hercules, wouldnt it?). even a hellenized tribe is, well, hellenic, right? as in, nothing to do with slavs?? (and es, lets also forget slavs didnt exist at the time)

Never said they where slavic. Those are the crackpot balcan origins idea. But lets assume something else, the modern Macedonians could have been assimilated by Slavs the same way their Thracian ancestors could have been assimilated by Greeks. Is this beyond the realm of possiblity?

Originally posted by MarkG

In any case the Greeks of ancient times considered Macedonians half-Greeks at best.

ah yes, the old Demosthenes argument, as old as the internet itself and more, where a single quote of someone trying to convince the Athenians to go to war with the Macedonians is transformed into the general opinion of greeks for macedonians....

Dude states can make nationalities. Do you really think Serbs and Croatians would be different peoples with genocidal tendencies towards each other if an ancient empire hadn't been split into two? The resulting divison made the western ones Chatolic and the eastern ones Orthodox.

Also why dosen't USA join up with Britain into one coutnry? You see they are on a divergent path (or at least they where, currently the Brits are heading towards the US of A)