Now that Obama has declared victory... Why is he so weak?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by snoopy369

Ramo: The biggest thing that Obama has to overcome is the usual Republican gain from now until November. The states he is close in may well become Republican in a few months...

Uh no. The biggest thing he has to overcome is the fact that a lot of Americans won't vote for a black guy.

In fact, you better hope he overcomes that, even if he loses. That's because if you think African Americans are pissed at how they are treated now, you look at how mad they'll be if a candidate like Obama, who is about as post-racial as one can get in this day and age, gets beat because of racism. Obama isn't Al Sharpton or even Jesse Jackson. He's just a gifted politician who happens to be black.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Many posters who were dyed in the wool conservatives 5 years ago have now moved left towards the right wing of the democrats (Imran is the obvious example - Ted also went from being a Republican to being a radical leftist).

OTOH, I'm seriously leaning towards McCain right now over Obama. So, there is that.

Please vote for him. You know how much I think your country is an international nuisance. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to watch another Republican lunatic run it into the ground.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
OTOH, I'm seriously leaning towards McCain right now over Obama. So, there is that.

I can understand that. McCanin is by far the best candidate that the Repugs could have nominated.

But once the campaigning for the general election gets into swing, you will see that he has nothing to offer except recycled ashes.

[Imran Siddiqui]

He has President's Question Time with Congress

[Arrian]

Bit of a gimmick, that, even if it's one I happen to like.

-Arrian

[Arrian]

But it seems odd that he was blown out in a state like Kentucky.

Why?

-Arrian

[snoopy369]

You only need look at Poly. Many posters who were dyed in the wool conservatives 5 years ago have now moved left towards the right wing of the democrats (Imran is the obvious example - Ted also went from being a Republican to being a radical leftist). The only tories left here tend to be the fanatics and elderly people like Ming and rah, who can be excused on grounds of advancing senility.

That's hardly proof of anything... Lots of people radically shift their political views - in fact, it's more common than not in my experience. My dad, for example, has been in the last 15 years a Reagan conservative, a near-socialist, and now a W. conservative ...

I think in general American politics has moved right, not left, in the last 30 years. The democrats are now winning elections - but it's because they're moving right, and a short-term popular annoyance at the Republicans, not because of a left movement. Look at the folks that are winning these 'shocking victories' in congressional special elections - they're largely conservatives who happen to put the word 'democrat' in front of their name so they can win.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Poly folk have aggravated me to the point of becoming hard right from my moderate stances 5 years ago.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by snoopy369

I think in general American politics has moved right, not left, in the last 30 years. The democrats are now winning elections - but it's because they're moving right, and a short-term popular annoyance at the Republicans, not because of a left movement. Look at the folks that are winning these 'shocking victories' in congressional special elections - they're largely conservatives who happen to put the word 'democrat' in front of their name so they can win.

And then you look at the overwhelming support for things like public healthcare. It's not quite as clear cut as you think.

I think you misunderstand me. I think the Democrats are only slightly better than the Republicans. But in the end there is little difference: popular authoritarianism rules the day. As I said in another thread, democratic politics in most countries is of only theoretical interest. Denial seems to be the operative mode. There are more extreme right wingers, but that basically means there are more idiots.

Look, you can tell when things get really bad because comedians are the only ones providing real political commentary. It's almost like the Middle Ages, where only the jester was allowed to tell the truth.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Now that Obama has declared victory... Why is he so weak?

Originally posted by DanS
I've thought for a while now that Obama is a strong candidate. But it seems odd that he was blown out in a state like Kentucky.

It's because of the angry, bitter people who are clinging to thier guns and religion. And apparently Fox news

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Poly folk have aggravated me to the point of becoming hard right from my moderate stances 5 years ago.

You were hard right back then. If anything, you seem rather more moderate now.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DanS
What states is Obama going to pick off?

More then likely Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Colorado, and New Mexico. With a good chance of Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Arizona, and Idaho.

You have to remember how unpopular Republicans are right now. Generic Republican vs Democrat polls are showing Democrats leading by 20 points.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Why have 10-20% of Republican primary voters been voting for Huckabee and Paul, given that McCain is teh actual (not presumptive) nominee?

My guess is it is a protest vote.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Unfortunately those generic democrats never run

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You were hard right back then. If anything, you seem rather more moderate now.

Naah I was an Amnesty International, anti Aprtheid demonstrating college dweeb back in the late 80's early 90's.