Japan -- Geriatric Society

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Arrian


Just talking about the USA again, bear in mind that school systems are funded by property taxes. Setting aside whether or not that's a good idea, it means that childless people are already paying toward the educations of the children in their area. Further, the rich folks probably own more expensive houses and thus pay more.

I don't get to opt out of paying my share of the local school budget because I don't have kids (and I agree that this is the right way to do things).

-Arrian

Well yes but that is a side effect of a stupid public school system. Once you do away with it you need to impose my proposed tax.

Also one might argue that education is just one of the many expenses asociated with kids.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Your standard hypothetical Fermi paradox civilization does.

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DanS moved the discussion in that direction. Follow along, please.

[DanS]

We've got plenty of energy that is pretty much free in the grand scheme of things (the sun). No overriding need for fusion -- although it would be nifty to have, of course.

[Kuciwalker]

I'm trying to help you see the error of your ways.

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[Arrian]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


Well yes but that is a side effect of a stupid public school system. Once you do away with it you need to impose my proposed tax.

The current system, whatever its faults, does take its share from the childless. That was my (rather simple, I thought) point.

Further, even if public schools were funded via income tax, the childless would still be contributing, even without your proposed extra tax.

Also one might argue that education is just one of the many expenses asociated with kids.

Of course it is. And education is only one of many expenses that are spread across society.

-Arrian

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I was talking about Mary mother of Jesus, being knocked up by God (= Jesus).

Have you participated in any immaculate conceptions, know anyone else who did? It's not the way we procreate.

Also if we accept it was Jesus who "knocked up" his Mom (this is perhaps one of the reasons why they like to think in terms of the trinity since accepting that Jesus impregnated his Mom just sounds bad), he still didn't have a child in the sense we are talking about in this thread. Mary gave birth to him, not a new child.

He therefore didn't add anything according to the psycho-pro-procreators in this thread.

[Kuciwalker]

Have you participated in any immaculate conceptions

Yes. Next question?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by DanS
Even keeping ourselves to this solar system, the resources are limited mostly by our imagination in how to utilize the tools at hand.

I see you went off and forgot to remember your exercise...

As a fun exercise, calculate how short of time it has taken the Mormons to be 2%+ of the US population.

Continue your birth rates (~^2 every 20 years for ease of calculation) a while longer. Say, 1,000,000 years, which isn't that long compared to how long the sun will last.

Then let's see how the resources in this solar system stack up to the population.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Yes. Next question?

Liar

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


One of these is not like the other...

QFFT

[DanS]

Originally posted by Aeson
I see you went off and forgot to remember your exercise...

Continue your birth rates (~^2 every 20 years for ease of calculation) a while longer. Say, 1,000,000 years, which isn't that long compared to how long the sun will last.

Then let's see how the resources in this solar system stack up to the population.

I've been through this with KH. Old hat. Nothing sacred about that growth rate.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Arrian


The current system, whatever its faults, does take its share from the childless. That was my (rather simple, I thought) point.

Further, even if public schools were funded via income tax, the childless would still be contributing, even without your proposed extra tax.



Of course it is. And education is only one of many expenses that are spread across society.


-Arrian

Dude you are forgetting that everyone pays that tax, now sure childless people pay for things children use, but people with kids pay for those things not only via taxes but directly as well. This means they are worse off for having kids, by quite a bit.

This specific tax of mine creates something the childless pay but those with children don't. It would be a simple tax, you would get a deduction for being on social security, for being uneducated, for having one kid.

If you where middle class with 2 kids you would brake even and would not pay anything.

If you where poor you with no kids you would not pay anything.

If you where rich and educated with no kids you would pay a lot.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


Dude you are forgetting that everyone pays that tax, now sure childless people pay for things children use, but people with kids pay for those things not only via taxes but directly as well. This means they are worse off for having kids, by quite a bit.

This specific tax of mine creates something the childless pay but those with children don't. It would be a simple tax, you would get a deduction for being on social security, for being uneducated, for having one kid.

If you where middle class with 2 kids you would brake even and would not pay anything.

If you where poor you with no kids you would not pay anything.

If you where rich and educated with no kids you would pay a lot.

Brain drain

[Heraclitus]

Enact a polcie state and stop people from leaving.

[Combat Ingrid]