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    Ontario will be a have-not province: TD

    HEATHER SCOFFIELD

    Globe and Mail Update

    April 29, 2008 at 11:18 AM EDT

    OTTAWA — Ontario will soon be a have-not province, and is poised to start collecting equalization payments in two years, economists at Toronto-Dominion Bank say.

    Ontario's economy is struggling to deal with the compounding effects of high energy costs, a strong loonie, and now a U.S. downturn, the economists note in a paper published Tuesday morning. But it's the rising prosperity of the energy-rich provinces, and not Ontario's actions, that have turned Ontario into a have-not, their paper argues.

    “The change in Ontario's equalization status is essentially a story of soaring commodity prices,” say Derek Burleton, director of economic studies, and Don Drummond, chief economist. “There is much more at play here than just Ontario's economy.”

    They calculate that Ontario would be eligible to receive $400-million in federal equalization transfers in the 2010-2011 fiscal year, and $1.3-billion in fiscal 2011-2012.

    And the central Canadian province could even start getting payments next year, they warn. Data to calculate who should get what is notoriously delayed, and since Ontario is on the edge next year in TD's calculations, its fortunes could go either way.

    Ontario makes up about 40 per cent of Canada's economic output and about 38 per cent of the country's population. Its prosperity over the decades has meant that, historically, it has been among the richest Canadian provinces.

    The province has complained loudly in recent years, however, that it has been treated unfairly by the federal equalization formula. Premier Dalton McGuinty argues that the formula favours transfers to the Eastern provinces, despite rising resource revenues, while failing to fully account for rising fiscal costs in Ontario.

    At the same time, Ontario's prosperity has been declining, when compared with the rest of the country.

    Economists have been warning lately that Ontario is destined for have-not status, but the TD report crunches numbers to show exactly how much the province's relative position has deteriorated.

    Data released on Monday by Statistics Canada showed that Ontario's nominal gross domestic product per capita — a common measure of standard of living — rose 3.4 per cent in 2007, compared with a national average of 4.8 per cent.

    Ontario's standard of living has been below the national average for two years in a row now, and the gap is growing, the Statscan data show.

    Under the old equalization formula, Ontario would not receive equalization payments in coming years, because the richest province's fiscal capacity was not included, nor were resource revenues. But under changes brought in last year, half of a province's resource revenues are now included. Alberta's wealth is also included in the formula. The changes make Ontario look much poorer, relative to the more prosperous, energy-rich provinces.

    TD's calculations predict that British Columbia, Alberta and Saskatchewan will all be contributors to the equalization formula, or “have” provinces, over the next few years.

    But Mr. Drummond is skeptical about whether Ontario would actually ever see any equalization money, even if it does qualify.

    He notes that in the 1970s, Ontario was eligible for payments, and actually received some money, as energy prices soared. But support for Ontario was not politically acceptable, and so Ottawa changed the equalization formula, and retroactively clawed back Ontario's payments.

    Finn Poschmann, director of research at the C.D. Howe Institute, expects to see similar political manoeuvring this time around, and doubts Ontario would actually ever be on the receiving end of equalization.

    “The formula is a product of a political process,” he said. “It's designed to produce a politically acceptable result. So when tensions result, the formula changes.”

    And tensions in the West would definitely be exacerbated by the prospect of Ontario receiving equalization, he added. It would mean a small proportion of the country's population, about 30 per cent, subsidizing the other 70 per cent -- a situation that Alberta would probably find unacceptable.

    Ontario would probably also balk at being labelled a have-not, Mr. Poschmann added.

    “Ontario does not want to be on the receiving end of equalization,” he said. “It's a place that you don't want to be.”

    Still, Mr. Drummond adds that Ontario taxpayers fund a huge portion of the federal government's revenues, providing $21-billion more to Ottawa than they received in transfers, in 2005. That surplus won't disappear immediately, he said.

    “In actuality then, Ontario residents will, in effect, be paying the equalization tab with their own money,” the paper says.
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    FREE Ontario!
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    • #3
      I'm sure Alberta wished they were free rather than the expensive burden it is.
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      • #4
        What is surprising is PEI, NB, Man, NE, Qc, NFL and Sask all received money from the perequation(equalization?). Per capita Manitoba received more than Quebec in perequation.

        There is two provinces which do not beneficiary from perequation (equalization?): BC and Ab. Ontario was in the neutral bracket.

        Where I can see an argument in favor of equalization is that the increasing demand for energy which lead to an higher dollars, are badly affecting eastern can and center can manufacturing industry.
        Last edited by CrONoS; April 29, 2008, 13:20.
        bleh

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        • #5
          Imagine how much money Alb are doing with Oil; they even exclude 50% of all the income coming from natural resource from the perequation. The means of fiscal capacity of the 10 provinces of Canada is highly deformed by the extreme value of Alberta.
          bleh

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          • #6
            Why is this surprising?

            Recently AB and ON were the only "have" provinces.

            When Saskatchewan is a "have" province and your province isn't, something is majorly ****ed up.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by CrONoS
              Imagine how much money Alb are doing with Oil; they even exclude 50% of all the income coming from natural resource from the perequation.
              Alberta is very, very, very rich. Keep your hands to yourself!

              Alberta was a "have" province before resource revenues were even included.
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              • #8
                Well, you can always take pride still that Canada is avoiding the ramifications of a U.S. recession.
                Wait, that doesn't sound right.
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                • #9
                  @Sloww

                  Yes, Canada economy is doing good. But hey; last time I have seen your unemployment rates it wasn't bad at all comparing to others recession in the past.
                  bleh

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                  • #10
                    We have to start somewhere. You think we attained such heights in one day? NO! It takes a lot of not work.
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                    • #11
                      I love it. Your 2 OT posts for the day are anti-Ontario and anti-Quebec
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                      • #12
                        Yay, BC is over the top again. Great!

                        I thought you said we were destined to stay on the other side.
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                        • #13
                          I'm anti everything today.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ninot
                            I love it. Your 2 OT posts for the day are anti-Ontario and anti-Quebec
                            This one is actually a bit of both.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SlowwHand
                              I'm anti everything today.
                              I was referring to Asher, but I suppose that works as well.

                              Sloww
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