I'm Islamophobic

[Lancer]

You would need to petition the Dept of Homeland Security using form B-37954.95 filed in triplicate and also provide notarized copies of your birth certificate, passport, and an envelope recieved at your address listed on your passport with a post office stamp and your name in the address bar. Include the petition fee of $650 in gold bullion drawn on the Fort Knox bank issued no later than September 1924. Each form of those made in triplicate must be sent to the following:

1)Dept of Homeland Sec., Nebraska Service Station which has the motto 'We're here'. Include the bullion.

2) Yo momma

3) GWB at the White House in Washington

You will need a note from your mother also in triplicate stating that you don't like beer and never have and that it's not something you just made up to get another shot. Your mother should also include her phone # and the best time some of our agents might stop by for a little quickie. Which reminds me, got a sister?

Your doctor will need to provide an Rx slip with 'dulicate shots' in the prescription field plus a blood and urine sample from your great grandfather and if he's dead you'll need to fill out the form 'Petition to use other relative than great grandpa for the purpose of submitting blood and urine sample', in triplicate with petition fee of blah blah blah...

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


You're probably right that the US is more tolerant wrt to religion in general, as opposed to French or Turkish style secularism, but it would be more appropriate to compare the situation of the Muslims in France to that of Black Americans IMO.

Yea, I think that is a more accurate comparison. But, as Imran noted, things have changed a great deal in the last 40 years. Heck, we are likely to see a black president in the next year. So not only have we made tremendous progress over the last 40 years, the size of the "problem" we have here is larger than Europe.

Everyone talks all the time about how Muslims are "taking over" Europe. It is utter nonsense. Lets look at some numbers:

Muslims are 7% and 8% of the population in France, 5.8% in the Netherlands, 5% in Denmark, just over 4% in Switzerland and Austria, and almost 3 per cent in the United Kingdom.

If we use blacks, or even all non-whites, as our American equivalent the numbers are strikingly different.

In the United States blacks make up 12.2% of the population (much higher than any country in Europe). Plus Hispanics make up 14.8% of the population and Asians/Indians/Mixed/other are another 13.64%. So in total, non-whites are over 40% of our population.

Unlike the crazy predictions in Europe, it is far more likely and certain that in a few decades there will be a non-white majority. And the majority of us are ok with that.

Also, of that 60% white population we are still not nearly as homogeneous as individual European countries either. Italians, Germans, Brits, Russians, French and all the rest make up our white population. All sorts of different religions and demoninations too. That alone caused trouble in the past, but now we've totally gotten over it. Soon we'll be entirely over the race thing too.

If France is having riots and predicting doom & gloom with 7 to 8% Muslim population, my advice is to get a fricken grip.

Or maybe all you elitist Eurocoms should stop and think for a moment about your conservative, bigoted, redneck, backwards cousins across the pond. Then perhaps you'll realize that we have far more successfully, humanely, and comfortably stitched together a cosmopolitan and tolerant culture than Europe ever has or will. We certainly have had many problems along the way, but we're stronger and better for it. Our nation didn't come crashing down because of our diversity we became the world's only super power.

So, in summary:

USA
Diversity
Muslims
Islamic radicals
Europe

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Britain is very much like the US culturally yet even there 30% of the Muslim population believes people should be murdered if they convert or become an atheist. That's a fairly large percentage.

Under Islamic law, the penalty for apostasy is death. That 30% are only following the strictures of their religion.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
Or maybe all you elitist Eurocoms should stop and think for a moment about your conservative, bigoted, redneck, backwards cousins across the pond.

But that is no fun.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by OzzyKP


Yea, I think that is a more accurate comparison. But, as Imran noted, things have changed a great deal in the last 40 years. Heck, we are likely to see a black president in the next year. So not only have we made tremendous progress over the last 40 years, the size of the "problem" we have here is larger than Europe.

Everyone talks all the time about how Muslims are "taking over" Europe. It is utter nonsense. Lets look at some numbers:

Muslims are 7% and 8% of the population in France, 5.8% in the Netherlands, 5% in Denmark, just over 4% in Switzerland and Austria, and almost 3 per cent in the United Kingdom.

If we use blacks, or even all non-whites, as our American equivalent the numbers are strikingly different.

In the United States blacks make up 12.2% of the population (much higher than any country in Europe). Plus Hispanics make up 14.8% of the population and Asians/Indians/Mixed/other are another 13.64%. So in total, non-whites are over 40% of our population.

Unlike the crazy predictions in Europe, it is far more likely and certain that in a few decades there will be a non-white majority. And the majority of us are ok with that.

Also, of that 60% white population we are still not nearly as homogeneous as individual European countries either. Italians, Germans, Brits, Russians, French and all the rest make up our white population. All sorts of different religions and demoninations too. That alone caused trouble in the past, but now we've totally gotten over it. Soon we'll be entirely over the race thing too.

If France is having riots and predicting doom & gloom with 7 to 8% Muslim population, my advice is to get a fricken grip.

Or maybe all you elitist Eurocoms should stop and think for a moment about your conservative, bigoted, redneck, backwards cousins across the pond. Then perhaps you'll realize that we have far more successfully, humanely, and comfortably stitched together a cosmopolitan and tolerant culture than Europe ever has or will. We certainly have had many problems along the way, but we're stronger and better for it. Our nation didn't come crashing down because of our diversity we became the world's only super power.

So, in summary:

USA
Diversity
Muslims
Islamic radicals
Europe

How dare you interrupt this regularly-scheduled fear mongering and paranoia with a sensible post

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by OzzyKP

Heck, we are likely to see a black president in the next year.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by OzzyKP

Or maybe all you elitist Eurocoms should stop and think for a moment about your conservative, bigoted, redneck, backwards cousins across the pond. Then perhaps you'll realize that we have far more successfully, humanely, and comfortably stitched together a cosmopolitan and tolerant culture than Europe ever has or will. We certainly have had many problems along the way, but we're stronger and better for it. Our nation didn't come crashing down because of our diversity we became the world's only super power.

Ahem, there is a significand difference between the "melting pot" and "multi-culturalism". They are two very different concepts.

Originally posted by OzzyKP

Yea, I think that is a more accurate comparison. But, as Imran noted, things have changed a great deal in the last 40 years. Heck, we are likely to see a black president in the next year. So not only have we made tremendous progress over the last 40 years, the size of the "problem" we have here is larger than Europe.

You can't compare the African Americans to European muslims. If you want you could compare the Euro Muslim scare to the American scare of Mexicans. Which I honestly don't get, except from a purley economic stand point...

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by SpencerH


Under Islamic law, the penalty for apostasy is death. That 30% are only following the strictures of their religion.

And you see that as a glass half full?


If the penatly for apostasy is death in Islam, then sorry Islam has to change if it wants a place. I would have no problem with changin the European Judeo-Christian culture into a Judeo-Muslim-Christian culture.

But those interpertations of Christianity, Judaism and Islam that are incompatible with human rights, religus tolerance and democracy as a form of goverment have no place in our society.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by LordShiva


How dare you interrupt this regularly-scheduled fear mongering and paranoia with a sensible post

Yes I know. :better crying:

Let's get back to it...

[TCO]

Let's kill all the apostates.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by Heraclitus

And you see that as a glass half full?

I'm merely pointing out a fact.

[Heraclitus]

a bit silly

But this very accuratley represents the fear that many of us hold. A sort of impending sense of dread, which you try to deny to yourself with a strong feeling of guilt, for not feeling guilty for your fears.

[Riesstiu IV]

Hell, I'd convert to Islam if I got a free scimitar to kill hippies with.

[Heraclitus]

I mean who woldn't right?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Heraclitus