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    ... that I'm in deep trouble. I thought this was going into better direction but it's not. I'm not going to say everything, but I'll just say the things I'm dealing with. But let's just say things aren't good, they're the opposite. I never wanted to make a thread in here but I'm becoming more and more desperate as the hours go by.

    Hours, a concept I know no more. Time has totally lost its grip on me. Everything is fuzzy time wise. I've wasted last 6 months completely. I moved a long way to a new place, something I've done repeatedly in the last 5 years. Always a new place, but I've always made friends fast and had a new life. Now I have no life, except one of constant misery. It's not just some ordinary misery, it's one where I'm losing myself. It's been too long. I'm trapped inside my house. I've become to hate my house. I absolutely hate my house and everything in it. I hate this city as well.

    I've made no progress what so ever. Professionally it would be difficult and frustrating, but it extends to my personal life as well. I have 0 new friends. It's the only possibility anwyay, because I haven't gone and socialized, so it would be impossible to have friends. I never realized how hard it can be because I've never experienced it before. But now I can't just drive to see old friends so I don't really see my friends at all and they don't pretty much call me. With all of this, managing friendships has become nearly impossible. I've become so lonely that it hurts physically. Sometimes I can't sleep at all. Sometimes I can go a week or more with 1 hour sleep because that's all I get. I've started to become afraid to leave the house even though I hate it. I have tremendous anxiety most times when I'm alone and I'm alone a lot. I have deep troubles that have gone without a fix for 6 months so it's crushing me.

    I had an appointment with a psychologist but it didn't go well. There's no time for therapy or anything because I'm leaving to the US soon, in 6 weeks. I'm afraid what will happen. Yet another move and I've managed to injure myself so I'm just not very good at managing things, including my own life. I have no money. Absolutely no money, I have 7 euros on my account. So even if I had something to do, most things I can't. Everything reminds me of this state, everything reminds me of my problems. I just realized that I have gone 6 months without any real human touch. I've shakend hands with few people and given money in the store, but that's about it. I've alienated myself from humans so now it is very difficult to get what I need the most. So this is putting it nicely. I have no way of controlling these things. I have constant strong negative feelings and they're dominating my whole presence. I stay inside and I hate it, in this twisted time world, I no longer know what it means. I have 0 accomplishments with my last 6 months. You know, if you go to a birthday party, or if you go to a friends place, these all count. I have 0 accomplishments in my last 6 months. It's very difficult to even comprehend and what it does.

    I'm afraid of weekends. They're the worst. At least on week days I get to go to work. There's people there. Lately I haven't accomplished anything at work either. It's distressing. I can't read or write anymore. This week I had my first chat with my boss over skype, a real chat, and it seems like I've been doing the wrong things. Not that he really told me to do other things and I thought I was doing the right things, but he wanted me to do theory developing first. So now I'm at home once agian as always, in deep trouble, trying to think how I can pull this off, even more so now because I can't read or write. First version is supposed to be ready in 6 weeks. So professionally, everything I did was just reversed with this, so in fact all that effort, ALL those long weekends and nights and everythign I worked was simply not what he wanted to have. It seems like a crushing blow, it would of course to anyone who worked for 6 months to realize it was for nothing, but I sacrificed those weekends and nights to get tha tgood start, so I could relax and get that social life and hang out. But it never happened. And I don't get paid to do OT, so I gave it all up for this. DIdn't ask for anything in return. Now it's too late. Now I've got 6 weeks to .... it's all ****ed up. He put his name on the line to get me there, but he never told me anything! So now he's pissed off because "well that's what you're supposed to do here, to get help for your theory with these few top guys!". Funny, the first time he e-mailed me about it, the top guys "were busy" and mostly I would just work my stuff myself like I've done here. So suddenly it's this? Great.

    I dont' get guidance from him anyway. I haven't seen him since I took this job, not once. We've talked over skype, we started that.. this week. Maybe we talk again next year. He e-mails like a 5 year old, with yes or no answers. I'm lost with my work, totally lost now. He doesn't help me at all, even though it's his job. I get 0 guidance.

    I hate this place and I hate myself. Unhappy is not the word I'd use. I don't get any joy from anything. I can't even watch movies. I cant' do anything, except wait. Wait, and sometimes I cry. I don't know usually why, but I just have so much anxiety and feel miserably that it's overwhelming. I don't know what to do. I need support, help, friendship and caring. None of these are present and I'm unable to go and get it. I'm getting trapped inside my house again, inside my head and there seems to be no escapes left. Strong sadness has somehow become me and I don't know how to undo that. So there, to put it all mildly and leaving most of it out.

    I guess I just wanted someone else to know as well. I'm going down fast again after having a decent week. I finally started feeling almost normal after a month of total suck. So I'm getting more and more desperate by the hour.
    In da butt.
    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
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    I'll be praying for strength for you, Pekka. I don't know anything about the type work you do, or what your expectations are in life. I do know that if you keep only negative thoughts in your head, improvement will be a lot slower.

    Storms move on. Sunshine reappears. Things will get better.

    This isn't much help to you, I realize. It's all I know to say. Hang in there.
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    • #3
      I am sorry Pekka. When I moved down to VA to work on my research something similar happened... I guess I haven't stayed at 0 friends, but I have made friends very slowly (generally at the same rate they move away) and definitely don't have the large number that I have in Maryland. I have been very lonely at times here and sometimes depressed.

      Some of it is the difficulty in making friends outside the University environment.

      Feeling bad can ruin your productivity also. If you can, ask for a vacation before the US trip to spend time with your friends.

      One thing I have heard is to do something, even if it isn't what you are interested in, to spend time with others outside of work. Like I have a cousin who started playing softball although she didn't like softball.

      Jon Miller
      (Oh, and at least once every two months, I go up to MD and spend at least a weekend hanging out with friends there.)
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      • #4
        Have you ever been diagnosed as depressed? Because that's what it sounds to me.

        I've been there, and had lot's of similar feelings. I got over the worst because death of my grandfather kinda woke me up, so i never tried any medication and such. I still get down-periods, but after getting through it once i know that it'll get better.

        I visited doctor later when i felt kind manic and had a chat with him to understand what was happening in my head, which also helped surprisingly lot.

        I've also got a friend with bipolar disorder and many friends with 'normal' (?) depression. These things suck, and even friends are usually quite powerless what it comes to helping others to get up again.

        What i'm trying to say, (you probably know this) is that you really should get an new appointment to talk with a doctor, and only you can make things change. If you have serious problems with sleeping, getting help just for that might be enough to get you back on your feet.

        Hopefully things work out for you, as empty it sounds.

        Originally posted by SlowwHand
        I do know that if you keep only negative thoughts in your head, improvement will be a lot slower.
        QFT. It's kind of a destructive loop eating everything away.

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        • #5
          Yeah. Like I said, I put things mildly. There were talks of major depression. About the only symptom I don't have is suicidial thoughts. It's kind of impossible to think positively when the negative is dominating you, it directs thoughts into negativity. Even positive things feels negative and like an insult, if nothing else then just a reminder of good times that you aren't going to have.

          I wouldn't post this unless I was in serious trouble. I'm in deep trouble. It's impossible to make friends in a state like this, and this state pretty much, well the doc said and I thought so too earlier, that it was a bit of a burn out and even that got into deeper levels of crap.

          I think the problem is that I didn't take off time soon enough. I never thought it was an option. Now I can't take time off, that is taking time off is pure hell. What would I do? Nothing. So at least my job is still keeping me somewhat active, I need to be there every day. Sick leave isn't an option, because then I'd be totally left out of everything.

          It's not that I'm giving up because I'm not. But some things are impossible to fight. I mean I'm fighting when I'm not just submitting to it. But still it all sucks pretty badly, it's difficult to describe. It's difficult to describe how it feels to be non-existent, it's difficult to describe how it feels when you lose touch with other humans including yourself. It's not something that can be described. So that I can't help. But I'm fighting it by going to work and by not being an *******. It's a struggle not to say something stupid, but that's my fight and I'm doing OK with it.

          Now back to work. Meh.
          In da butt.
          "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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          • #6


            I don't know what to say. I had some pretty bad years as well, when I was doing my Master's. I pretty much fell into a black hole when I had to start my thesis, with no friends to talk to and no supervision at university either.

            It took me way too long to get out of that, but I did, even though I still don't really have any friends. Well, the friends, and girlfriend, I do have all live abroad. But I'm pretty happy now really.

            I'd say the best thing you can do to keep your sanity at work is to make sure that you do get proper supervision, or at least find people you can talk to. Get in touch with those top guys, and ask some feedback from them about the work you've done. I'm not sure what kind of place it is you work in, but they can't just throw the new guy in at the deep end. But it seems you're going to have to take the initiative.

            I know it helped me when I met up with my supervisor once every two weeks, and being in a "support group" of other students doing their thesis. As shy as I was about asking my supervisor anything, he was always ready to help.

            And are you really sure you have to do that much overtime? Is it really required, or do you think they expect that of you, do they all do it, or do you just want to prove yourself or something? Or is it that you're unproductive at work and you work longer because you feel guilty about that (I had that a lot when I was doing my thesis, and it was usually counterproductive, only make me feel even more guilty and depressed)? ... I don't know. I don't have to work overtime (well, I do voluntarily sometimes), and I don't think working OT systematically is ever a good idea.

            Good luck, Pekka.
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            • #7
              It's also good that you're talking about how you feel with others, as it was enormously helpful for me.

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              • #8
                If I lived in Atlanta, I would seriously offer to help you out during your move.

                I'm not sure what to say that would help. Whenever I'm feeling a bit down, I tell myself my situation is probably much better compared to billions of unfortunate people around the world who struggle to live day to day. Keep strong and just think of a brighter future. Nearly everyone has lowpoints in their lives.

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                • #9
                  Well, the worst thing you can do is fall into a routine. Just remember your goals and focus on that. You'll need to push yourself through these hard times, but as long as you keep pushing you will eventually get through.
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                  • #10


                    Everyone has at least one period in their life like this. 6 months isn't that long to be miserable, most deployments to Iraq are 18 months. But I can see how Iraq would be more interesting than your job in a way. Hope I have helped

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
                      If I lived in Atlanta, I would seriously offer to help you out during your move.

                      I'm not sure what to say that would help. Whenever I'm feeling a bit down, I tell myself my situation is probably much better compared to billions of unfortunate people around the world who struggle to live day to day.
                      Your figure it a bit high, Frenchman, and it's counterproductive anyway. The worst thing to do when depressed is think about how horrible Africa is.

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                      • #12
                        How dare you call me a Frenchman, you Belgian!

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                        • #13
                          Hang in there buddy. Loneliness can take down the best of us. You'll be allright once you get to sunny USA.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by VetLegion
                            Hang in there buddy. Loneliness can take down the best of us. You'll be allright once you get to sunny USA.
                            Atlanta is sunny and warm and will chase away all those cobwebs, not to worry, just be patient.

                            Also, you'll have an accent, chicks dig that.
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                            • #15
                              That's not the problem, I make friends easy. The problem is, I'm having huge problems just functioning.
                              In da butt.
                              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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