New Olympic Sport - Grab the Torch

[Kuciwalker]

No reason to pass up a chance to criticize the PRC, after all.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I suggest we airdrop copies of Red Dawn and portable DVD players into Lhasa...

[DaShi]

To be fair, the Chinese were the first to politicize these Olympics. That's why I whenever I hear them announce that it's about sport and not politics.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by MarkG
it's not the IOC, it's the chinese
according to some Greek high level IOC officials, this was forseen and it was suggested to the Chinese to do the relay only in China but they refused (at least that these officials claim now)

No, it is both. The IOC knew who they were awarding the games to and were told at the time it was a disaster in the making. The Chinese gov is the Chinese gov - no real surprises there.

Simply holding the torch relay in China would not solve the problem as this government will be protested against anyway. The relay provides a convenient target but is certainly not the only one. This will become evident after the torch relay is cancelled (or seriously curtailed) after the humiliation to come in SF.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sometimes, I get worried that the Chinese are going to be a powerhouse in 40 years, culturally dominating much of the world and spreading an authoritarian philosophy.

In 40 years they will be older then we are.

I give them 20.

[Theben]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I suggest we airdrop copies of Red Dawn and portable DVD players into Lhasa...

Tibetan monk: "WOLVERINES!!!"

[The Mad Monk]

Not that everybody hasn't already figured this out, but...

Unmasked: Chinese guardians of Olympic torch

The guards protecting the Olympic flame had paramilitary training and were chosen by Beijing for their toughness and fitness

China’s blue-clad flame attendants, whose aggressive methods of safeguarding the Olympic torch have provoked international outcry, are paramilitary police from a force spun off from the country’s army.

The squad of 30 young men from the police academy that turns out the cream of the paramilitary security force has the job at home of ensuring riot control, domestic stability and the protection of diplomats.

Questions are now being asked as to who authorised their presence as the torch was carried through London. The Conservatives demanded clarification from the Government last night.

The guards’ task for the torch relay is to ensure the flame is never extinguished – although it was put out three times in Paris – and now increasingly to prevent protesters demonstrating against Chinese rule in Tibet from interfering with it.
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But the aggression with which the guards have been pursuing their brief has provoked anger, not least in London where they were seen wrestling protesters to the ground and were described as “thugs” by Lord Coe.

The Olympic medallist and organiser of the 2012 Games was overheard saying that the officials had pushed him around as the torch made its way through the capital on Sunday. He added that other countries on the route should “get rid of those guys”.

“They tried to punch me out of the way three times. They are horrible. They did not speak English . . . I think they were thugs.”

His comments came after Konnie Huq, the former Blue Peter presenter, who was one of the torchbearers on Sunday, described how she had seen the officials in “skirmishes” with the police.

Ms Huq, who was carrying the torch when a pro-Tibet activist tried to snatch the flame, said of the guards: “They were very robotic, full-on . . . They were barking orders like ‘run’ and ‘stop’ and I was like, ‘Who are these people?’.”

David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, wrote yesterday to Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, seeking clarification of the role of the Chinese officials. Mr Davis asked: “Who in the British Government authorised their presence and what checks were made as to their background?”

He added: “They appear to have some role in providing security and were seen manhandling protesters. They even accompanied the torch into Downing Street and were highly visible in the picture with the Prime Minister.”

The security men entered Britain on visitors’ visas but the Home Office would not reveal whether they had disclosed on the application form for whom they worked.

Less than a year ago these mysterious “men in blue” were elite students from China’s Armed Police Academy and were selected amid great fanfare to form the grandly titled Sacred Flame Protection Unit.

In China, tens of thousands of their paramilitary colleagues have been deployed across Tibetan areas to restore order during riots, even opening fire when the antiChinese demonstrations have threatened to run out of control again.

It is a long way from those heady days last August when the squad was founded. Zhao Si, their leader, said then: “These men, chosen from around the country, are each tall and large and are eminently talented and powerful.” Online reports said that the shortest of them was 6ft 3in.

Mr Zhao said: “Their outstanding physical quality is not in the slightest inferior to that of specialised athletes.” Their training has involved running 40 to 50 kilometres (25 to 31 miles) a day to ensure the squad is fit enough to keep pace with a relay of torchbearers in cities around the world.

They have also undergone training in local customs and languages of the countries in which they would be deployed. This has included learning some English, French, German, Spanish and Japanese.

A total of 30 men have been assigned to follow the torch overseas. Another 40 will be on duty to trail the Olympic flame around China until it reaches Beijing on August 6, just two days before the start of the Games.

In reports published before the young men became the focus of international attention, Chinese media emphasised their ability to ensure that the flame would stay alight. “They received firstly technical training in how to light the first torch of each session of the relay and save the flame in the lantern at the end of each relay in a more efficient and safe way.”

Yang Zhaoke, director of the Beijing organising committee torch centre, told The Times: “We chose young and vigorous men. They can’t be beansprouts because they have to show good endurance. We can’t change people once they are overseas. They have to be able to run from start to finish.”

Some train in such martial arts as taekwondo or tijiquan in their spare time, he said, but added: “Their job is not to fight but to shelter and protect. They are not there to beat people and they have no right to enforce the law. Only the British police have that right in London, for example.”

A source at Scotland Yard said: “They were here because they came as a part of the package. We made it quite clear that they had no executive powers in Britain.

“They were here to maintain the flame. Their responsibility is to look after the flame and to make sure nothing happens to it. They are there to protect the flame.”

Timetable of protest

Planned torch relay route

April

9 San Francisco
11 Buenos Aires
13 Dar es Salaam
14 Muscat
16 Islamabad
17 Delhi
19 Bangkok
21 Kuala Lumpur
22 Jakarta
24 Canberra
26 Nagano
27 Seoul
28 Pyongyang
29 Ho Chi Minh City

May

2 Hong Kong
3 Macao
4 Begins tour of China

Early to mid-May

Everest (date determined by weather)

August

6-8 Arrives in Beijing

Source: Beijing 2008

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3671368.ece

[C0ckney]

i don't know why our government would allow all these members of the chinese security services to have such a prominent role when the torch went through london. even if they did look ridiculous.

are the met police really not able to provide adequate security.

[DanS]

Originally posted by C0ckney
i don't know why our government would allow all these members of the chinese security services to have such a prominent role when the torch went through london. even if they did look ridiculous.

It seems possible that they weren't told, or the right people weren't told.

[Wezil]

What time does the fun in San Fran start?

[Colon™]

Where do I need to tune in for live coverage?

[DanS]

Not live, but the San Francisco Chronicle's web site is probably the best for up-to-date news on the story...

http://www.sfgate.com/

[Wezil]

Thanks DanS.

According to your source the event gets underway at 1pm this afternoon, which should be about now...

[DanS]

Rather, in about an hour.

[Wezil]

Um, yeah.