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    Death for hire - suicide machine lets you push final button
    March 29, 2008
    Roger Boyes in Berlin

    One press of a button and you can end your life with a swift injection of potassium chloride. That is the boast of Roger Kusch, once one of Germany's most promising conservative politicians and now the improbable promoter of a mercy-killing machine.

    If the “Perfusor”, designed to sidestep strict laws banning assisted suicide, goes into production then Germany rather than Switzerland could soon become the destination of choice for those seeking to kill themselves.

    Some 700 patients, including several terminally ill Britons, have travelled to Zurich where the self-help organisation Dignitas arranges suicide. Assisted suicide has been legal in Switzerland since 1942 providing a doctor has been consulted and the patient is aware of the consequences of his decision.

    But Dignitas has come under fire for experimenting with suicide techniques. According to video evidence presented to the Zurich state prosecutor, patients have been placing plastic bags over their heads and feeding in helium gas.

    In four cases being studied by the prosecutor, one patient died after nine minutes and three after between 25 and 50 minutes. “The bodies twitched for several minutes,” Andreas Brunner, the prosecutor, said. Swiss papers compared the gassing method to the techniques used in the Third Reich.

    Dignitas argued that gassing was faster than poisonous injection because helium did not require a prescription, eliminating the cost and the time involved in finding a sympathetic doctor.

    These revelations have struck home in Germany, where direct assistance in mercy killing is illegal and where most Dignitas clients live. The theme is highly sensitive because of the systematic euthanasia practised by the Nazis on the physically and mentally disabled.

    “The machine is simply an option for fatally ill people,” said Dr Kusch, 53, presenting the green machine that looks like a cross between an electric transformer and a paint spraygun. “Nobody is forced to use it but I do believe that it will contribute to a debate that is moving thousands of people.”

    The machine would be lent or rented so that the patients could insert the needles themselves and then push the button releasing the potassium chloride, used to execute Death Row prisoners in some US states. Supporters say the machine will bring about death in seconds. Death Row cases suggest the process could be longer. One of the responsibilities of the organisation lending the machine will be to consult with doctors about the exact dosage.

    Merely lending the machine to a prospective suicide is not, say legal experts, against German law. Gerhard Strate, a defence lawyer from Hamburg, said: “As long as the sick person is fully conscious and aware, then lending the machine to him is no more illegal than lending him a kitchen knife or a razor blade. It becomes illegal only if the potential suicide asks someone in the room to press the button for him.”

    Dr Kusch, whose doctorate is in law not medicine, was once a political star. Under Chancellor Kohl, he was head of the internal security department and in 2001 became Justice Minister in Hamburg. Tipped for high office, he became the victim of Christian Democratic infighting, left the party and set up his own grouping that actively propagated mercy killing for the terminally ill. He has now withdrawn from politics and he has established a legal practice, which will specialise in offering advice to old people worried about the legal and tax implications of ending their lives.

    The tabloid Bild Zeiting denounced Dr Kusch's machine as “perverse” and other media outlets have tentatively skirted around the taboo.

    The case of Chantal Sebires has moved Germany and triggered a debate. The Frenchwoman, allergic to pain-relieving morphine, killed herself after suffering an incurable tumour. Die Welt said: “Opponents of assisted suicide stress that palliative medicine and new pain therapies make it unnecessary. The Sebires case showed that these have their limits.”

    “For believing Christians the self determination of death is a violation, an attempt to interfere with the Creation which can be determined only by God,” the paper wrote on Easter Sunday, “but can believers really demand that non-believers adopt their point of view?”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3641866.ece

    The prototype:

    16
    Yes, so long as it's strictly limited to the terminally ill
    25.00%
    4
    Yes, for anyone who makes the choice
    50.00%
    8
    No, not in any circumstance
    12.50%
    2
    Bananas are the only humane method of assisted suicide
    0.00%
    0
    Let the terminally ill all have 48" pizzas
    12.50%
    2
    Last edited by Darius871; March 30, 2008, 19:38.
    Unbelievable!

  • #2
    The machine would be lent or rented...


    It would suck as an investment.
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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    • #3
      Could they sue him if it failed?
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      • #4
        I hope they have a much better version if/when I'm shopping for one.
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        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Rented? How much is the late fee when you don't return it after use?
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          • #6
            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Donegeal
              Rented? How much is the late fee when you don't return it after use?
              They can file a claim on the estate technically. It's a good question on the sheer mechanics of getting the thing back though; is there a clause in the contract that permits one of their goons to enter the home and pick it up after it's all done?
              Unbelievable!

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              • #8


                ****ing awesome invention.
                You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Darius871
                  is there a clause in the contract that permits one of their goons to enter the home and pick it up after it's all done?
                  "Yep, he's done twitching. Go ahead and unplug him, Mrs Jones is waiting in 3b..."
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10


                    I gotta find out how to get a piece of this action.
                    Unbelievable!

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                    • #11
                      Doesn't help the paralyzed cases. Can't push the button.
                      I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                        Could they sue him if it failed?
                        Don´t think so.
                        Per jure he doesn´t lend it to them with the intention to have them commit suicide (as it would be illegal to help a person in commiting suicide ). It is the people who receive it who (ab)use the machine in this manner, by inserting needles from the machine into their arm and pressing a certain button
                        So I doubt that the creator can be blamed, if the machine is (ab)used to commit suicide and fails to meet expectations.


                        Somehow I suspect that the death of people using this machine will be much more agonizing than the death of those executed in american death rows.
                        After all these people (death candidates in US Executions) get a lot of other substances injected beforehand, things like muscle relaxants, and narcotics, before finally the KCl is injected.
                        I think this will make a great difference (and a prson executed will have a more peaceful transit into his/her afterlife than a person using the suidice machine)
                        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
                          Doesn't help the paralyzed cases. Can't push the button.
                          There are technologis around which enable the person to move a mouse pointer or even steer a soimulated plane just with their mind alone (well, to be more precise by their brain activity ).
                          Maybe one could modify a machine so that it can be plugged into such a device.

                          The only problem would be to determine wether the person who applies the electrodes onto the head of the paralyzed suicide and starts the machine who reads the outputs of the suicides brain is de jure helping her to commit suicide (which would be illegal according to german law) although it is the suicide himself who presses the virtal button that starts the injections.
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                          • #14
                            Per jure he doesn´t lend it to them with the intention to have them commit suicide (as it would be illegal to help a person in commiting suicide ). It is the people who receive it who (ab)use the machine in this manner, by inserting needles from the machine into their arm and pressing a certain button
                            What if they are crippled by the machine. That would be a lawsuit right there.
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                            • #15
                              I think the cellular regeneration and entertainment chamber the weird scientist developed in DS9 was much cooler.
                              Blah

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