Apple tring to push Safari onto Windows users

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher
It's not a small download (something absurd like 22MB), it adds icons everywhere without an option not to do that, and in general it pisses users off. Thus the uproar.

My HD is 160,000,000,000 bytes the program is 22,000,000 bytes. So, yes, it's small.

They're not buying anything. They're not doing anything. This prompt comes out of the blue while the users are using the computer telling them there are "updates" available.

They bought something that requires iTunes.

It is unreasonable, and extraordinarily stupid, to assume users read every detail presented on their screen when they are busy trying to do something else. As several people in this thread have illustrated, it's extremely common. And that's precisely what Apple is counting on to get the Safari userbase increased.

Unreasonable, sure is. Stupid? Not really. The whole point is that they are assuming people won't read every detail

It's sleazy, it's ethically questionable, and it's 100% typical Apple. You can say what you want about "buyer beware", but I assume you think that there's nothing wrong with phishing then either.

Well, you, again, make an ass of yourself by assuming. Buyer beware, doesn't mean that companies are allowed to use whatever sleazy trick they want, Buyer Beware means that companies will use sleazy tactics, and you better watch out for them.

They are both wrong, but if you fall for it, it's your own damn fault.

Personally, I'm never a victim of it because I know to read carefully and use features to determine if it's legit, but since many (or most) users can't/won't do that, they're SOL? Nice, and quite classy. You must be Republican.

SOL? no. But if they can't be bothered to take care of themselves, then they deserve the hassle to correct what they helped cause.

Whats the bigger hassle? Reading what you are installing, or removing what you installed?

ACK!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tuberski
They bought something that requires iTunes.

Huh? Not always. some people download it without having iPods. Others try to download Quicktime but can't jump through Apple's hoops to download quicktime sans iTunes.

Well, you, again, make an ass of yourself by assuming.

Excuse me? You're the one who just assumed anyone who bought iTunes has purchased an Apple product. You're the one who just tried to play the "BUYER beware" card in a thread where purchasing has nothing to do with it.

Whats the bigger hassle? Reading what you are installing, or removing what you installed?

ACK!

That's an invalid question, for reasons the CEO of Mozilla have outlined. Users should not expect brand new, uninstalled software to be installed as part of an UPDATE service, it's part of a trust the users develop with the software makers.

You remind me of the tools who criticize people for not reading the 60 page EULA of software before they install it. And if anyone here is making an ass out of themselves, it's the guy who is saying "buyer beware" to the case of people not buying a damn thing. It's the guy saying it's people's own damn faults for not interrupting everything they're doing and reading the details of something that is interrupting their work (and in the vast majority of cases, the text in that field is worthless things like "Fixes bugs" -- users are more or less trained to ignore it).

Simple fact is, this is sleazy and ethically questionable. There's no way you can bull**** your way out of this, Tubs.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher

Huh? Not always. some people download it without having iPods. Others try to download Quicktime but can't jump through Apple's hoops to download quicktime sans iTunes.


Excuse me? You're the one who just assumed anyone who bought iTunes has purchased an Apple product. You're the one who just tried to play the "BUYER beware" card in a thread where purchasing has nothing to do with it.


That's an invalid question, for reasons the CEO of Mozilla have outlined. Users should not expect brand new, uninstalled software to be installed as part of an UPDATE service, it's part of a trust the users develop with the software makers.

You remind me of the tools who criticize people for not reading the 60 page EULA of software before they install it. And if anyone here is making an ass out of themselves, it's the guy who is saying "buyer beware" to the case of people not buying a damn thing. It's the guy saying it's people's own damn faults for not interrupting everything they're doing and reading the details of something that is interrupting their work (and in the vast majority of cases, the text in that field is worthless things like "Fixes bugs" -- users are more or less trained to ignore it).

Simple fact is, this is sleazy and ethically questionable. There's no way you can bull**** your way out of this, Tubs.

I've never tried to bull**** my way out of it, I agree with you completely.

You seem to think I'm defending Apple, which I am not, I don't use iTunes or Quicktime because they do things I don't like to my computer.

People are dumb, corps take advantage of that fact, buyer beware always works, even when you aren't buying anything.

It should be used especially when something is free, or $50

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[Wiglaf]

Asher's world: Most computer users are not very smart and download anything that pops up and claims to be an update. They should be protected from this at all times. Nevertheless, they are savy enough to be expected to find, download, install, and use Firefox all on their own. That the browser has a 17% marketshare somehow proves this. OH THATS NOT A CONTRADICTION YOU'RE JUST A REPUBLICAN IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Asher's world: Most computer users are not very smart and download anything that pops up and claims to be an update.

Fact.

They should be protected from this at all times. Nevertheless, they are savy enough to be expected to find, download, install, and use Firefox all on their own. That the browser has a 17% marketshare somehow proves this. OH THATS NOT A CONTRADICTION YOU'RE JUST A REPUBLICAN IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT

I never said everyone will download Firefox. Just that more and more people are. I don't think it'll ever pass IE in marketshare, but the FF point is just to school you on your assertion that IE doesn't permit choice.

[DaShi]

Got the "update" today. Didn't download. I never liked Safari.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by DaShi
Got the "update" today. Didn't download. I never liked Safari.

You mean you actually read what it was "updating" and decided, all by yourself, to not download it?

According to Asher, you are Republican.

ACK!

[DaShi]

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tuberski


You mean you actually read what it was "updating" and decided, all by yourself, to not download it?

According to Asher, you are Republican.

ACK!

No, a republican is someone too stupid to comprehend the argument's made. Like this.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Most computer users are not very smart

Yeah, look how many still use Microsoft OSes. ****, you'd think people would have learned after the Vista train wreck. But no...

[Asher]

[snoopy369]

I certainly don't think this is a huge deal, but Apple shouldn't call it an update, that's blatantly misleading.

[Q Classic]

Isn't it McEnroe?

Of course, Wiggy's never been known for accuracy with his posts, so.

[chequita guevara]

I was actually planning to download Safari for Windows on my own, and I think this is kinda slimy.

[Q Classic]

That's because it is slimy.

It's as slimy as how QuickTime used to automatically overwrite all file associations, how for a while it was very difficult to find QuickTime separately from iTunes...