Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Depends on what branch you are a part of. Some would say it's all in the mind, others would say as you do that there must be some external agent.

Why would it be contrary to cognitive psychology that such a thing be true?

A person with such training is interested in what makes a subject believe such a thing. If it were a simple matter of God actually talking to the subject through a bush that wouldn't be something that needs studying.

[Wezil]

I think Benny is still on drugs.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ecthy
I agree with Zkrib. If he was a researcher then he'd at least study the effects of substances that were available to the Israelites at the time. Some Brazilian crap surely doesn't count.

The psychoactive compounds in Ayahuasca is N,N-dimethyltryptamine, and the psychoactive compounds in Acacia are Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), 5 MethoxyDimethyltryptamine (5 MeO-DMT) and N-methyltryptamine (NMT).

They are most probably similar in reactions.

[Krill]

Whie the substances are similar, the effect each one has can vary in intensity by quite a large margin due to the functional groups attached.

[Ben Kenobi]

A person with such training is interested in what makes a subject believe such a thing.

True, but again, you are working from a materialist perspective. There is no conflict between substance dualism and cognitive psychology, at not least on the theoretical level.

If it were a simple matter of God actually talking to the subject through a bush that wouldn't be something that needs studying.

Which is why it needs to be debunked by materialists? The effects of faith and worship on cognition are documented and have been studied. Anything which has an impact on the mind is fair game, which includes things like this.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Krill
Whie the substances are similar, the effect each one has can vary in intensity by quite a large margin due to the functional groups attached.

DMT

In a study conducted from 1990 through 1995, University of New Mexico psychiatrist Rick Strassman found that many volunteers injected with high doses of DMT had experiences with a perceived alien entity.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Kidicious


The psychoactive compounds in Ayahuasca is N,N-dimethyltryptamine, and the psychoactive compounds in Acacia are Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), 5 MethoxyDimethyltryptamine (5 MeO-DMT) and N-methyltryptamine (NMT).

They are most probably similar in reactions.

What do you do for a living, Kid (and/or in what are you trained)? You claim to be able to make expert statements in Economics, Biology, and Chemistry... which of these are you trained in?

[UnOrthOdOx]

How do I get in on one of these studies?

[snoopy369]

Usually you check the craigslists and such of your local major university, or the postings there

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by snoopy369


What do you do for a living, Kid (and/or in what are you trained)? You claim to be able to make expert statements in Economics, Biology, and Chemistry... which of these are you trained in?

Googling. Obviously.

Enough googling and you can back up just about any claim you make.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
True, but again, you are working from a materialist perspective. There is no conflict between substance dualism and cognitive psychology, at not least on the theoretical level.

I think you are wrong, especially on a theoretical level. Cognitive psychology uses the scientific method and rejects introspection.

Which is why it needs to be debunked by materialists?

I don't think the purpose is to debunk it. It's to provide a more likely possibility.

The effects of faith and worship on cognition are documented and have been studied.

Faith and worship makes you believe that a bush is talking to you?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by snoopy369


What do you do for a living, Kid (and/or in what are you trained)? You claim to be able to make expert statements in Economics, Biology, and Chemistry... which of these are you trained in?

I have degrees in Accounting and Economics. I work as a tax accountant.

I'm not an expert on chemistry but I can google. It turns out that I was right about those compounds being similar.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Usually you check the craigslists and such of your local major university, or the postings there

I need better local universities.

[snoopy369]

I'd go with the opinion of the chemist (Krill) over something you googled. Studies you don't understand may or may not be valid, and may or may not indicate what your googled source says they indicate...

Regardless, while I wouldn't be surprised to find that Acacia had psychoactive properties, the presence of a psychoactive property does very little to suggest what Moses may or may not have done (a figure who may or may not have been mythological himself). It establishes it as a possibility, but suggesting it is 'the answer' instead of suggesting it is 'a possibility' is very bad science indeed... that's more like religion

[Jon Miller]

It is bad science because he was seeking to show the 'truth' about Moses. He then assumed that the possibilities that some favored were wrong, and which then made his possibility right.

It might very well be good science to say that 'there is a substances in this bush which can create a psychodelic experience'. But that has nothing to do with Moses or any events 3000+ years ago.

Jon Miller