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    ... by not doing their jobs.

    Van driver's boyfriend and vehicle pulled over a month earlier
    by Laura Yuen, Minnesota Public Radio
    February 25, 2008
    The woman charged with crashing into a school bus and killing four students last week in southwestern Minnesota has been identified as Olga Marina Franco.

    St. Paul, Minn. — The woman accused of causing a fatal school bus crash in southwest Minnesota was pulled over by police just a month before the accident on the same highway and in what appears to be the same minivan. Her boyfriend, who was driving the van at the time, was ticketed for driving without a license.

    In the early hours of January 16, 2008, a woman who went by the name Alianiss Morales was riding in the minivan on a stretch of Highway 23, about 40 miles away from the spot of last week's fatal bus crash. Her boyfriend, Samuel Rivera Melendez, was behind the wheel.

    A deputy with the Kandiyohi Sherrif's office pulled over the Plymouth Voyager after noticing the license plate wasn't easily visible.

    According to the complaint, Melendez was driving with a learner's permit, but not a license. His girlfriend told the officer she did not have a state identification card or a driver's license. Melendez would later pay $187 in fines.

    The couple told the deputy they were returning home to Willmar from Cottonwood, where they worked. It was about 2:30 a.m.

    A criminal complaint released last week said the woman who called herself Alianiss Morales had been living under a false name and working at a Cottonwood cabinet shop for about a month.

    Authorities today revealed the woman's identity.

    They said she is Olga Marina Franco, a 24-year-old from Guatemala. Little is known about her. She and Melendez had been subletting a trailer house in Minneota for about a week, according to the trailer's owner. Authorities said they have reason to believe Franco had been living in the U.S. illegally.

    The January incident apparently wasn't the first time Franco had been stopped on the road.

    In 2006, a Montevideo cop ticketed a woman who went by the name Alianiss Morales after she plowed into a resident's yard. The officer cited her for driving without a license.

    Investigators said they're not sure if the woman accused of causing last week's bus crash is the same as the one cited in the 2006 complaint. But Sgt. Rohn Halverson, the officer who stopped her in Montevideo two years ago, thinks they are one and the same.

    "I have seen her photograph, and I do recognize her as the one I stopped in May of 06," said Halverson.

    Franco has been charged with four counts of criminal vehicular homicide. She's also been charged with running through a stop sign and driving without a license.

    Immigration officials say they could not find a match for Franco's fingerprints in their database, meaning she's never had contact with immigration officials.
    Why was she not reported to ICE to begin with?
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

  • #2
    If you keep distorting the truth like that, DD, you're going to end up in politics.

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    • #3
      Where's the distortion?
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #4
        Can't you feel the EVIL gripping you?? My god, you're turning into Bill Clinton before my very eyes!!

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        • #5
          In the early hours of January 16, 2008, a woman who went by the name Alianiss Morales was riding in the minivan on a stretch of Highway 23, about 40 miles away from the spot of last week's fatal bus crash. Her boyfriend, Samuel Rivera Melendez, was behind the wheel.

          A deputy with the Kandiyohi Sherrif's office pulled over the Plymouth Voyager after noticing the license plate wasn't easily visible.

          According to the complaint, Melendez was driving with a learner's permit, but not a license. His girlfriend told the officer she did not have a state identification card or a driver's license. Melendez would later pay $187 in fines.

          ...

          A criminal complaint released last week said the woman who called herself Alianiss Morales had been living under a false name and working at a Cottonwood cabinet shop for about a month.
          Sounds like the authorities were working on it. I'm not really sure why the boyfriend being pulled over is the same as her being pulled over. I was pulled over and ticketed once while driving my wife's (then girlfriend) car. I don't recall the cop even talking to her.

          Of course, if our immigration and naturalization process made more sense, perhaps this woman would've been on the grid, and would have been a) easier to track; and b) been able to seek a drivers' license (including, perhaps, driver's ed) w/o fear of being deported. None that that would necessarily make her a better driver, of course.

          It's possible that, even if she had been legal & licensed, she would still have been dangerous as hell (this happens all the time with citizens, in case you haven't noticed). But it's also possible, that if she was "on the grid" she would have taken a driver's ed course and learned how to friggin' drive. Who knows?

          But of course, OMG if we just kick out all the illegal immigrants everything will be so much better!!11!!

          -Arrian
          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arrian
            Sounds like the authorities were working on it. I'm not really sure why the boyfriend being pulled over is the same as her being pulled over. I was pulled over and ticketed once while driving my wife's (then girlfriend) car. I don't recall the cop even talking to her.
            The January incident apparently wasn't the first time Franco had been stopped on the road.

            In 2006, a Montevideo cop ticketed a woman who went by the name Alianiss Morales after she plowed into a resident's yard. The officer cited her for driving without a license.

            But of course, OMG if we just kick out all the illegal immigrants everything will be so much better!!11!!
            If we had kicked this one out in May of 06, 4 people would be alive and others wouldn't be in the hospital recovering from an acident that could have been prevented with a phone call.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              Oerdin?
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                edit: DanSed.

                -Arrian
                Last edited by Arrian; February 28, 2008, 15:03.
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arrian
                  No response to the rest of my post, I see.
                  I considered it irrelevent because while immigration reform may or may not be needed and I tend to think it maybe needed. That doesn't absolve the police from doing the job they are paid to do and enforce the law as it exists on the books rather than overlooking the ones they don't care to enforce. I'm not even suggesting going on random raids in immigrant communities but I fail to see the problem from a public policy perspective with reporting the illegals the police come across that commit crimes. Perhaps you could enlighten me.
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    Arrian
                    <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
                    I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by snoopy369
                      Arrian
                      Lazy cops
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        Question (serious one):

                        If a person is pulled over and lacks a valid license, what happens? They get a ticket, right? Anything else? Is there followup? Is proving citizenship part of it? Does it even come into play?

                        What I'm getting at is whether or not the cop who cited her for driving w/o a license in 2006 really "failed to do his job." I'm not sure that's the case.

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #13
                          Indeed. As long as she had a valid ID - which she appeared to have, even though it was a forgery - nothing more would happen on a first offense (or probably on a second offense). Admittedly it would be nice to catch people with ID fraud, but it's certainly possible to do so well enough to get by the first level without faulting the police officer.
                          <Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
                          I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.

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                          • #14
                            Possible solution that don't involve mass deportations:

                            Every car comes with a card reader. You must insert your license, or the car won't start. Big penalties for letting others use your license.

                            This, plus some sort of drunk detector that won't let you drive drunk, would be a way of keeping dangerous drivers off the road.

                            But that's not as much fun as deporting illegals...

                            -Arrian

                            p.s. Such solutions would be expensive, of course, and some might see than as overly intrusive. But, I mean... won't someone think of the children!!11!!
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #15
                              and such a solution wouldn't work on older cars, cars with the device removed,etc.

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