Russian aggressors buzz U.S. carrier and Japan

[Kidlicious]

I used to like seeing the Russian Bears flying over our ship for some reason.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos



So, as suspected, just mindless bling. The US has those types of awards too but they are merely ribbons and they do not come with full medals. And yes in many cases they are handed out like candy.

On regular basis Russians do not wear such medals (they wear only ribbons, but every such decoration come with full medal, not only a ribbon). However, at the celebration of the victory in WW2 (like on that picture) or other special cases, they wear full medals, instead of ribbons. In any case, any "real combat decoration" has a strict instruction where on your chest such medal should be worn. So it's very easy to determinate what military decorations are combat and which are non-combat memorable mentions.

Those would be routine in the 80's when we were enemies. Now they are just childish and useless. We don't even do that stuff to Iran.

However, you keep doing that to us. And yeah, you still act like an enemy (and I think we do the same). So nothing has really changed, despite the blah-blah-blah of the politics.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Serb

Why? Is it ok for us to shot down your planes/subs whenever they try to do the same?

I said first warn them off, very sternly. Only if those warnings are ignored, do shots get fired. I say, you can do the same.

It's a really bad idea to buzz someone else's warships or to try and take up a firing aspect with an attack submarine. We're dealing with falible people and falible war machines. One oopsie and KABOOM.

If you pretend to attack us, how do we know you're "pretending." Why should we put our people's lives at risk, hoping that you're bluffing? And the same goes the other way around.

[Patroklos]

The decorations on the left side of their chest are not given nowdays. It's more like memorable mention that they participated in some kind of military event. f.e. a medal dedicated to the anniversary of major victory, etc.
Their combat decorations, deserved at the battlefield located on the right side of their chests.

Which is what I said, and makes perfect sense in light of what I was saying. Most European militaries were like that. Simply pointing out that Russians give out (or gave, apparently) alot of useless bling doesn't detract from the metals that deserves some recognition, it seems the Russians themselves knew this and divided them for a reason (the US does the same to a degree).

Bashing people who effing fought against the Nazis is, frankly speaking, a sign of mental retardation. Well, Serb has already said that.
Show them some respect.

Nobody is bashing anyone. I don't care if a French resistance fighter took out a Panther column with his bare hands, if he wore that retarded french blue hat after the fact there is nothing wrong with pointing out he looks stupid.

[Krill]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


I said first warn them off, very sternly. Only if those warnings are ignored, do shots get fired. I say, you can do the same.

It's a really bad idea to buzz someone else's warships or to try and take up a firing aspect with an attack submarine. We're dealing with falible people and falible war machines. One oopsie and KABOOM.

If you pretend to attack us, how do we know you're "pretending." Why should we put our people's lives at risk, hoping that you're bluffing? And the same goes the other way around.

[Patroklos]

I used to like seeing the Russian Bears flying over our ship for some reason.

Stangley, I felt the same way about the Iranian P-3s. I used to wave at them from the bridge and they would always wag their wings back at us.

However, you keep doing that to us. And yeah, you still act like an enemy (and I think we do the same). So nothing has really changed, despite the blah-blah-blah of the politics.

Really? We send bombers over your fleets thousands of mules away from our own/our allies borders or in fact penetrate your airspace with them?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


I said first warn them off, very sternly. Only if those warnings are ignored, do shots get fired. I say, you can do the same.

It's a really bad idea to buzz someone else's warships or to try and take up a firing aspect with an attack submarine. We're dealing with falible people and falible war machines. One oopsie and KABOOM.

If you pretend to attack us, how do we know you're "pretending." Why should we put our people's lives at risk, hoping that you're bluffing? And the same goes the other way around.

That kind of crap keeps going for a very very long time and thanks God the WW3 hasn't started and won't be started because of that military routine.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos

Really? We send bombers over your fleets thousands of mules away from our own/our allies borders or in fact penetrate your airspace with them?

Yep. Every exercise of the Russian navy is accompanied by the NATO reconnaissance/combat aircraft or a NATO sub which simulates an attack.

[Patroklos]

Yep. Every exercise of the Russian navy is accompanied by the NATO reconnaissance/combat aircraft or a NATO sub which simulates an attack.

Thats because you do them off our coasts. I can't blame Italy for patroling the waters of the Med. I can't blame Japan for patroling their coasts. And I don't blame the US for helping either of these publically stated allies do just that.

I can blame the Russians for deliberatly going thousands of miles out of their way to play peekaboo.

[Arrian]

Much ado about nothing.

-Arrian

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Thats because you do them off our coasts. I can't blame Italy for patroling the waters of the Med. I can't blame Japan for patroling their coasts. And I don't blame the US for helping either of these publically stated allies do just that.

I can blame the Russians for deliberatly going thousands of miles out of their way to play peekaboo.

1) The last exercises in the Mediterranian and Atlantic were first of that kind for a decade. Previous were held near our coasts (but anyway always monitored by NATO subs and planes).
2) Says who? Your navy waves its flag at every major pound on this planet. You think our navy has no right to do the same?
3) You consider Med. as your coast?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Arrian
Much ado about nothing.

-Arrian

Exactly.
That was just a routine check of your readiness.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Patroklos
We send bombers over your fleets thousands of mules away

You need to upgrade your supply lines

[onodera]

Originally posted by LordShiva


You need to upgrade your supply lines

[Patroklos]

1) The last exercises in the Mediterranian and Atlantic were first of that kind for a decade. Previous were held near our coasts (but anyway always monitored by NATO subs and planes).

That leaves you the Black Sea (Turkey, a US ally), The Arctic (Norway, a US ally), and the Bearing Sea (Alaska is the US). Please tell me the last time a US recon plane buzzed your warships and flew multiple thousands of miles out of there way to do so.

One instance.

And BTW Serb, monitored is not the same thing as buzzed.

2) Says who? Your navy waves its flag at every major pound on this planet. You think our navy has no right to do the same?

You mean when we go to the ports of allied/friendly countries on their invitation/agreement? Yeah I can totally see how that is the same as going out of our way to be provocative (well, provocative if you were not a laughing stock).

But I totally bet those Bears were on their way somewhere else and just HAPPENED to fly over US warships. They most definetly didn't turn right around and head home apparently having found what they were looking for, NO SIR!

3) You consider Med. as your coast

You see America has these things called allies. These are people who are our friends to such a degree we make defense a common cause. And they do this without us having to occupy them against their will or murder their politicians. I know I know, very alien to you Ruskies but amazingly that is how the rest of the world works. Go figure :shrug:

That was just a routine check of your readiness.

And again, what possible reason could you have to be doing this? We don't even do this to Iran, we certainly don't do this to you. You realize you guys are barely a blip on the radar to the US military right?