Parents Say Students Forced To Learn Spanish

[SlowwHand]

Here. Educate yourself.

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=number+of+illegal+aliens+in+Texas&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I'm going to do something you've never done, Rufus.
Give you a reference.

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

So kiss my ass.

1) I gave you two references in the veep thread, immediately. In fact, I always give references, unless I'm trolling for fools the way I was when you bit on my "Presbyterians believe the moon landing was fake" post.

2) I never said jack about illegal aliens.

3) You still haven't shown that there's a single illegal alien -- hell, or even a single immigrant -- enrolled at the school in question.

So, basically, you've lied about me, answered a question I never asked, and still haven't backed up your own statements. Let me guess: you're a product of theTexas public schools.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Oh, and since you do seem to be a product of the Texas public schools, I'll do the 4th-grade math for you:

There are estimated to be 12 million illegal immigrants in the US.
18% of them are in Texas.
So there are approximately 2.2 million illegals in Texas.
Texas has a population of about 30 million people.
So illegals make up aboout 7% of the population of Texas.
The school in question is 2/3 hispanic.

So, either a ridiculously large number of illegals live in this one school district 9unlikely), or the majority of the kids are either legal immigrants or native-born Texans of hispanic descent. So illegal immigration likely has f*ck-all to do with it.

[Fake Boris]

What's Sloww trying to say ? That illegal aliens have taken control over the school ?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
It's not ok, and who died and made Mexico king? Why not Cantonese? Why not teach the Mexicans to comprende ingles? What a concept.

Racists are teh funny.

[onodera]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
No, dumbass. Can you read English? I said, make it mandatory to learn a 2nd language. Not mandate that it be Spanish. You have no frame of reference. Believe me, it's crap.

It's really awkward, but I find myself agreeing with Sloww. Why mandate that the pupils have to learn Spanish? And in elementary to boot. They need more math in elementary. When they go to the middle school, let them pick a foreign language themselves. If they pick Yoruba, let them find a school that teaches it. If there are many students that want to learn Yoruba in some school, that school will have to find a teacher of Yoruba. Or let the PTA do that.

[Cyclotron]

OH NO THEY ARE TEACHING OUR CHILDREN VALUABLE SKILLS

As a Californian, I grew up knowing that until high school your foreign language choices were a) Spanish and b) Spanish. Why anyone would get uppity about it considering the utility of Spanish in California is beyond me. Having a dedicated language staff in every public school to cater to a student's every desire is swell and all, but until Jesus returns with education funding for all schools, we have to focus on what is actually useful. In California, and Texas, that is Spanish. It's well known that learning foreign languages is great for cognitive development. Imbuing children with language skills is a critical part of childhood education itself. But clearly some care ****-all about that.

Look, English is the de facto official language of the US and schools should teach it to those who don't know it. There are legitimate points to be made that some schools don't emphasize that enough. *****ing about a public school forcing one's children to learn useful skills because it feels like - oh crap - you might "accomodate [sic] the damn Mexicans" is not a legitimate point, unless by "legitimate" you mean "retarded" and "point" you mean "racism."

Maybe in the United States of Magic Fairy America we can all choose to send our children to a school where they can opt into Yoruba classes. Take a trip there and tell me how it turns out! While you're hitting the acid, the rest of us will be back in the actual America, trying to salvage the education and development of children from the odious grasp of racism.

[MOBIUS]

Sloww's just pissed that the Mexicans are trying to take Tejas back by stealth...

'Remember the Alamo'

[MOBIUS]

I went to schools where until the age of eleven I had no choice to learn any language but my own. When I went to secondary school I had no choice but to do French.

I'd jump at the chance to be taught another language in primary school, but hey if those parents choose to remain living in Tejas pretty soon not knowing Spanish will be considered a severe handicap in the jobs market - if it isn't beginning to become so already...

[Arrian]

They should be teaching the Spanish-speakers English and the English-speakers Spanish.

It's not clear to me, based on the article in the OP, exactly what's going on.

-Arrian

[rah]

Yes it's very difficult to be a supervisor at a McDonalds without knowing spanish.

[Arrian]

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/15239165/detail.html

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- A mother in the Grapevine-Colleyville school district said she is refusing to let her daughter attend mandatory Spanish class because she doesn't think her daughter should be forced to learn the language.

"They said sorry you're gonna have to learn Spanish," said Ashley Allison a fifth-grader at Grapevine-Colleyville's Timberline Elementary School. "I was just stunned because I couldn't believe they'd actually make me do something like that."

Leigh Allison, Ashley's mother, said she supports her daughter's boycott of Spanish and initially kept her out of school when that class was in session.

Now the 11-year-old student spends that hour in the library teaching herself French.

In a written statement, the school district said Spanish has been taught at the elementary level for 15 years and will continue to be taught.

Leigh Allison said her daughter will not be required to take a foreign language again until high school but will have a choice between five different languages.

Nothing in that article about the "Mexicans" as Sloww calls them, not learning English.

Another source:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/183648,texas-woman-fights-bilingualism.html

FORT WORTH, Texas, Feb. 6 A Texas woman is refusing to allow her fifth-grade daughter to study Spanish because, she said, she is worried about the future of English in the United States.

Instead of learning Spanish with the rest of her class, Ashleigh Allison prepares reports in the library at the Timberline Elementary School in Grapevine, Texas, the Fort Worth (Texas) Star-Telegram reported Wednesday.

Texas' curriculum requires a school district to offer languages other than English to elementary and middle school students.

Leigh Allison, Ashleigh's mother, told the newspaper that Timberline's choice of Spanish impedes the children of Hispanic immigrants in the community from learning to speak English.

Allison's view was supported by the Virginia-based group Pro-English, which works to preserve English as the common language of the United States.

"On the one hand, we are all for teaching foreign languages," K.C. McAlpin, Pro-English executive director, told the Star-Telegram. "But it would be naive to think that the country does not face the growing threat of bilingualism because of the massive influx of mostly Spanish-speaking immigrants."

Yet another:

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/456532.html

GRAPEVINE -- While the rest of her fifth-grade class was taking Spanish classes mandated by the Grapevine-Colleyville school district curriculum, Ashleigh Allison sat in the Timberline Elementary School library writing a report about France.

Ashleigh and her mother, Leigh Allison, say teaching elementary school Spanish only makes life easier for Hispanic immigrants in the community who do not learn or speak English. And Ashleigh shouldn't be forced to conform, they say.

"She wants to be that one voice that forces them to learn English," Allison said. "We're not going to turn America into a bilingual country to accommodate you."

...

McAlpin said he worries that in the long run, forcing Spanish on students, and in effect promoting bilingualism, will harm the country.

"Every place in the world where societies have been divided about language, there have been conflicts that many times lead to violence or antagonism that we have so far been able to avoid in this country," he said. "Why break the successful mold of the melting pot?"

Rudy Rodriguez, retired director of the bilingual education program at the University of North Texas, said exposure to foreign languages at an early age helps children become more comfortable interacting with people from other countries and cultures.

He also said that there are benefits to the "bilingual brain" and that learning a second language actually improves a child's brain function.

"It is a wonderful, enriching experience for children to have the opportunity to learn a language other than English," he said. "We're moving very rapidly into a global economy where boundaries between countries are becoming less distinct."

Allison said she and her daughter aren't anti-immigration. They are pro-English language for immigrants.

"This is not saying, you cannot speak your native tongue," Allison said. "Grasp your tradition and your culture. But when you are outside your front door, you must speak English. We have to understand you."

Uh-huh. Pretty clear what's going on here to me.

-Arrian

[Kidlicious]

I wish I would have been forced to learn Spanish in elemetary school.

[Arrian]

We didn't start (elective) Spanish (or French) until 7th grade. I don't know if that's the reason, but my Spanish is terrible. All told, I took Spanish classes from 7th-12th grade.

-Arrian

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Arrian

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/15239165/detail.html

Nothing in that article about the "Mexicans" as Sloww calls them, not learning English.

Another source:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/183648,texas-woman-fights-bilingualism.html

Yet another:

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/456532.html

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Uh-huh. Pretty clear what's going on here to me.

-Arrian

What do you think illegal aliens from Mexico speak, Arrian? Get back with me when you decide to add some value.

Rah, your flippant remark about McDonalds is ridiculous.
I see job ads all the time for supervisors, and even managers, with the requirement of bilingual.
Not just Jose's Imports, many different places.