Parents Say Students Forced To Learn Spanish

[Krill]

Life is what you make of it. If you don't want to start it until you're halfway dead, then so be it, but you can combine work and schooling/university. If you want to.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Blake
Who says I didn't? Have I ever said that? Perhaps I had to go through a hell, and come out the other side.

A lot of people go through hell. Life kicks your ass. The point is it's much harder if you don't learn how to deal with **** and be accountable in high school. If you learn the opposite, that it's ok to do a half ass job or nothing at all then you are at a serious disadvantage.

Who says I did? Who says that lesson didn't have to wait until university, or even after university?

You went to university. ie, you were successfull in high school. Do you know what I'm talking about to be unsuccessfull in high school. Do you know what "at risk" means? We are losing a large portion of our kids every year because of our education system. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about.

Who says I wasn't one of them, and only managed to finally pull through thanks to rare wisdom and sheer force of will?

You don't need wisdom, except to know that you need to put your nose to the grind stone and take care of your business. I can't tell you how many kids think they don't need school because they have some kind of wisdom that makes them special.

I say that I regret not quitting school the day I could. The reason I didn't do that; it would have been hard as all hell and required a lot of courage, because I was "succeeding" at school according to the tests and stuff. So for me to quit, would have required a lot more courage than for someone who was "failing" at school.
But if I had had the courage to quit school and start exerting myself in the world, then THAT would have been the day my life finally started, instead of that day having to wait until somewhat after university.
It's the one thing I regret, because of the lack of courage, lack of force of will. I was wise enough to recognize that school was a load of crap and a prison, but I just couldn't muster the will to escape. I don't regret the things I've done out of ignorance and delusion, only the things I knew should be done, but wasn't brave enough to do.

Courage to quit school? WTF dude. School is not a prison. It's not even very bad.

Man, I don't know wtf you are talking about seriously.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Zkribbler

...yeah, taking some of the financial pressure of working families...awful, simply awful. Only multimillion dollar corporations, agribusiness and professional sports teams should get government subsidies.

Is what I said untrue, Zkrib? Is the push for full-time kindergarden anything but a blatant ploy to cut parents' daycare costs? What I said was accurate.

Incidently, since when am I a supporter of subsidies for big corporations or sports teams? WTF?

-Arrian

p.s. I hate to break it to ya, Zkrib, but I don't live in a poor area. The people pushing this are probably rich.

[Zkribbler]

Arrian: True, I overspoke.

I've lately been pondering the willingness of Americans to subsidize the uber-rich but not the working folks or the poor.

But this was the wrong place to bring it up.

[Krill]

What did you do to your sig, Zkrib I liked your old one...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Arrian: True, I overspoke.

I've lately been pondering the willingness of Americans to subsidize the uber-rich but not the working folks or the poor.

But this was the wrong place to bring it up.

[Blake]

Originally posted by Krill
Life is what you make of it. If you don't want to start it until you're halfway dead, then so be it, but you can combine work and schooling/university. If you want to.

That's a bad attitude.

I'll use the carrot on the stick analogy. A donkey follows the carrot on the stick. You can say the donkey does that because it "wants" to, and that the donkey can stop any time it "wants". But until the donkey cultivates wisdom within itself, then it is really just going through the motions. It sees the carrots, it thinks "I want the carrot!" and it walks forward to try and get the carrot.
It's not that the donkey is wrong to want the carrot, or is wrong to try and get the carrot, nor is it wrong to enjoy the carrot when the man on it's back finally lets it have the carrot.
The problem is; the donkey lacks understanding about how the game works. It's being led around mindlessly by its wants, rather than being in control of it's wants.

That understanding of how the game works, is important. Understand the difference between a decision made from wisdom and a decision made from ignorance.

[Blake]

Originally posted by Kidicious

You went to university. ie, you were successfull in high school. Do you know what I'm talking about to be unsuccessfull in high school. Do you know what "at risk" means? We are losing a large portion of our kids every year because of our education system. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about.

Then I'll tell you what I'm talking about.

School fails two kinds of children;

First, are those who find school too hard, because they don't have strong intellectual skills.
Secondly, are those who find school too easy, because they have strong intellectual skills.

The slow kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to failure and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to succeed.
The smart kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to success and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to fail.

Maybe it does work well for the kids in the middle, who get to grow in that fertile territory where both success and failure are possible, and the trying matters.

But for slow kids, it doesn't matter how hard they try - they fail.
And for smart kids, it doesn't matter how little they try - they succeed.
And neither of those are at all healthy.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Arrian: True, I overspoke.

I've lately been pondering the willingness of Americans to subsidize the uber-rich but not the working folks or the poor.

But this was the wrong place to bring it up.

See, generally I'm with on that stuff, which is why ranting at me seemed so odd.

I'm in favor of reducing the burden on what you call "working families" (which, depending on how you define it, includes a whole lotta people), via a number of policies. That particularly one (full day kindergarden) isn't among them, though I suppose I could be convinced...

-Arrian

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Krill
What did you do to your sig, Zkrib I liked your old one...

I thought I'd make the wording as short and to-the-point as possible.

And my overweight bunny died of cardiac arrest.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Blake


Then I'll tell you what I'm talking about.

School fails two kinds of children;

First, are those who find school too hard, because they don't have strong intellectual skills.
Secondly, are those who find school too easy, because they have strong intellectual skills.

The slow kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to failure and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to succeed.
The smart kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to success and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to fail.

Maybe it does work well for the kids in the middle, who get to grow in that fertile territory where both success and failure are possible, and the trying matters.

But for slow kids, it doesn't matter how hard they try - they fail.
And for smart kids, it doesn't matter how little they try - they succeed.
And neither of those are at all healthy.

This I can agree with. The system is weak at the margins.

Being able to coast wasn't really a good thing for me, it's true.

-Arrian

[Krill]

That's a bad attitude.

I'll use the carrot on the stick analogy. A donkey follows the carrot on the stick. You can say the donkey does that because it "wants" to, and that the donkey can stop any time it "wants". But until the donkey cultivates wisdom within itself, then it is really just going through the motions. It sees the carrots, it thinks "I want the carrot!" and it walks forward to try and get the carrot.
It's not that the donkey is wrong to want the carrot, or is wrong to try and get the carrot, nor is it wrong to enjoy the carrot when the man on it's back finally lets it have the carrot. The problem is; the donkey lacks understanding about how the game works. It's being led around mindlessly by its wants, rather than being in control of it's wants.

That understanding of how the game works, is important. Understand the difference between a decision made from wisdom and a decision made from ignorance.

The donkey might also have looked around and seen itself in a desert, with that carrot on the stick the only source of nourishment it can see. Sometimes wants are replaced by needs. What is the donkey supposed to do? Find other donkeys and fight the oppressive men with the whips?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Blake


Then I'll tell you what I'm talking about.

School fails two kinds of children;

First, are those who find school too hard, because they don't have strong intellectual skills.

Isn't that what special education classes are for?

Secondly, are those who find school too easy, because they have strong intellectual skills.

Classes for the gifted?

The slow kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to failure and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to succeed.

That's exactly what I'm talking about though. I'm not supporting the current system. I'm very much against it. It's why I'm not a teacher any more. I couldn't be a part of it.

The smart kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to success and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to fail.

That's because school is a joke for them. There's no challenge to it because you don't have to do **** to succeed at it.

Maybe it does work well for the kids in the middle, who get to grow in that fertile territory where both success and failure are possible, and the trying matters.

But for slow kids, it doesn't matter how hard they try - they fail.
And for smart kids, it doesn't matter how little they try - they succeed.
And neither of those are at all healthy.

I'm saying that we need to kick the jack asses who don't care out of school and make the parents more accountable. That will help free up resources to help the kids who are trying.

[Krill]

[q=Blake]Then I'll tell you what I'm talking about.

School fails two kinds of children;

First, are those who find school too hard, because they don't have strong intellectual skills.
Secondly, are those who find school too easy, because they have strong intellectual skills.

The slow kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to failure and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to succeed.
The smart kids, are failed by the system because they become conditioned to success and no longer want otherwise. They do not learn how to fail.

Maybe it does work well for the kids in the middle, who get to grow in that fertile territory where both success and failure are possible, and the trying matters.

But for slow kids, it doesn't matter how hard they try - they fail.
And for smart kids, it doesn't matter how little they try - they succeed.
And neither of those are at all healthy.[/q]

Maybe. Maybe not. Some smart kids change the rules and stop trying so hard and coast along, sure, but some of them find other stuff to excel at at the same time...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
And my overweight bunny died of cardiac arrest.

It's better that way. Mine went nuts and ran under the fridge.