No news on Israel-Palestine stuff?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov


a) do you see them around?

No, they were finally defeated by a combination of Parthians and Romans- that would be the Romans responsible for the Jewish Diaspora... In any case, they weren't 'The Greek Empire'...

The placard is a trifle disingenuous, given that the Assyrians were defeated (in part) by the Persians/Iranians and the religiously tolerant Iranians helped foster the Jewish community in Mesopotamia...

There was a group of Jews who never left Babylonia after the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BCE. This community more or less thrived. Living since 129 BCE under Parthian rule, a loosely knit semi-feudal state, it was able to develop its autonomous institutions with little interference from the royal government. The Parthians who always feared Roman intervention welcomed Jewish opposition to Rome, at least until the time of Hadrian.

The Jews enjoyed not only freedom of worship, autonomous jurisdiction, but even the right to have their own markets and appoint market supervisors (agoranomoi).

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/babylonian1.html

Birobidjan:

Though migration to the region began in 1928, the Jewish Autonomous Region was officially founded in 1934 as a "homeland" for Soviet Jews. It was the first territorial-administrative entity in the world designated for the Jewish people on the basis of their Jewish nationality.

http://www.fjc.ru/communities/default.asp?AID=84435

Poor Soviets- damned if they do, damned if they don't...

[Sirotnikov]

No, they were finally defeated by a combination of Parthians and Romans-

it was the hand of god, avenging jewish suffering

prove me wrong

the Jewish Diaspora...

which btw is also explained away as punishment for disunity.

given that the Assyrians were defeated (in part) by the Persians/Iranians and the religiously tolerant Iranians helped foster the Jewish community in Mesopotamia...

Ahmedi Nejad has lots to learn

Poor Soviets- damned if they do, damned if they don't...

what matters is their motives, and they certainly weren't judeophilia.

[Heraclitus]

judeophilia sound seriuos, I'd use another word if I was Jewish

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

it was the hand of god, avenging jewish suffering

prove me wrong

Prove me unright. The Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of The Lord sustain me still....

what matters is their motive

The early Soviet government differed greatly from the later even more repressive Stalinist government, in motives and methods.

Modern Soviet art (the Construcivists, the Suprematists) Modernist Russian film (Tatlin) and literature, women's rights- not what you associate with the dead hand of the deeply conservative and patriarchal Stalin.


Thus, I say prove the motives behind Birobidjan's creation were anti-semitic...

[Sirotnikov]

Thus, I say prove the motives behind Birobidjan's creation were anti-semitic...

fine let's go that way.
who was it's creator?

[Arrian]

Rather than create a new thread...

Egypt's foreign minister said that no further violations of its borders would be tolerated in the wake of a 12-day breach of its frontier with Gaza and said anyone daring to cross would have their legs broken, the state news agency reported.

Ahmed Aboul Gheit also met on Thursday with U.S. Deputy Secretary of State David Welch and discussed the situation in Gaza and efforts to push forward the peace talks.

Welch said that the border crisis was not Egypt's fault and a system had to be instituted to get the situation under control and avoid a repetition of the recent problems.

The earlier, uncharacteristically assertive, remarks by Aboul Gheit came during a late night Wednesday interview on state television, in which he criticized both Israel and the militant Hamas movement for creating the unstable situation on Egypt's border.

"Anyone who violates Egypt's borders will get his leg broken," Aboul Gheit was quoted as saying. He added that Egypt only allowed the Palestinians to cross the border after Hamas blew up the wall because of fears over the humanitarian situation resulting from Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.

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He blamed Israel for the humanitarian crisis and hardship that Gaza is experiencing, and for "responding to the Palestinian (Hamas) missiles with collective punishment."

He also criticized Hamas for launching those missile attacks, describing the confrontation as a "laughable caricature" resulting in self-inflicted wounds.

"After Hamas's take over of Gaza, it has decided to clash with Israel, though this clash seems to be a laughable caricature, because clashing with an opponent in battle is supposed to mean damaging them," he said. "You do not go into battle just to damage yourself."

He noted that Hamas' missiles either fall back in Gaza and injure Palestinians or give the Israelis a pretext to attack them.

The Egyptian's remarks drew a quick response from a Hamas' leader in Gaza, Sami Abu Zuhri, who called them "inappropriate" and said he did not believe they reflected the official Egyptian stance.

"All we want is an open border crossing," Abu Zuhri said. "Instead of making these threats against the Palestinian people, he (Aboul Gheit) should voice his anger against the Israeli occupation, which is what is closing the border crossings between Gaza and Egypt."

After 12 days during which Palestinians stocked up on food fuel and consumer products, Egypt re-closed the border pending a return to the 2005 international monitoring agreement involving Israeli and EU monitors.

Hamas rejects the agreement and has called for a role in controlling the border. Since the closure, Palestinians have clashed with Egyptian border guards.

Apparently seeking to cast a more favorable light on the strained relations between Egypt and the militant Gaza rulers, Abu Zuhri said Hamas was "in daily contact with the Egyptian brothers in order to find a solution for the problem of the border crossing."

Between a rock, a hard place and a guy who says he'll break their legs. Tough crowd.

-Arrian