No news on Israel-Palestine stuff?

[Sirotnikov]

Siro, whats your take on that - can Olmert survive?

he's a tough and smart politician
he thought he had the coalition in his pocket, cause he did lots of ground work and "bought" everyone.

but right now as the report approaches, the prices for keeping peace keep rising, plus everyone are preparing to justify why they stay in the government.

Btw, the anti-Olmert right wingers are well on their way with a "grass roots" campaign, sadly using unsuspecting soldier families, who demand Olmert to go home.

Tho political pro's, I hope, it is clear the campaign is only half-genuine and spun by people with election motives.

It is quite sad, actually, but Israel's history is filled with politicians playing the public against other politicians, often at the cost of Israel's stability and well being.

Be it the Mapai intensifying reports of Deir Yassin to tar Irgun, or the Israeli left creating political turmoil over the first Lebanon war in 1982, which was totally uncalled for.

[Sirotnikov]

LOTM - a hebrew article for you

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3498274,00.html

[Pekka]

LOTM, exactly, you'd get laughed at. That was the point.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
LOTM - a hebrew article for you

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3498274,00.html

you seem to have forgotten my pitiful language skills.

Anyway, peace is coming





And the Ivy League also knows peace is coming (these guys sing better, I think)

[Dr Strangelove]

Yay!
uh.................



What does "hinei ba ha'shalom" mean?

[Starchild]

An old woman tried to sell me za'atar today. She claimed it was smuggled out of Occupied Palestine and the proceeds went back to a woman's organisation. She said it was an essential arab seasoning (I was in a cookery shop) and great on bread, salads and meat.

The ingredients list said it was thyme and lemon zest.

[Sirotnikov]

za'atar is wonderful on a pita or with hummus or with labane.

[Starchild]

but its still just mixed herbs. I'm not sure why I'd have to pay for smuggled food items I can buy in any supermarket.

[Sirotnikov]

why because someone claimed it goes to a gaza charity.... or ****...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Yay!
uh.................



What does "hinei ba ha'shalom" mean?

See here (hinei = Voici) peace is coming.

Here comes peace.

Here Kaskeset, the a capella group from SUNY Binghampton (who have performed at our shul in Alexandria) perform "Shir la shalom" the song that was sung in Kikar Malchei Israel (square of the kings of Israel - now known as kikar Rabin) at the rally the night Rabin was martyred for peace.



And here is the same song being sung at Kikar Rabin this past November, on the 12 anniversary (yahrtzeit) of Rabins death.

[Sirotnikov]

LOTM you kill the thread

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

greek empire - antiouchus epiphanes fought a small jewish rebellion which sort of succeeded and gave us the holiday of hannuka,

It was only the Seleucid Empire ruled over by Antiochus.

the byzantine empire was quite nasty to jews

It was at times. However, it was the Muslim Turks who ended the empires of Byzantium and Trebizond, and neither empire had seriously attempted to extinguish Judaism or the Jewish people.

and the soviet union, starting with stalin's doctors' trials,

Let us not forget that the Soviet Union also set up a Jewish homeland/Soviet, and recognised the State of Israel.

za'atar is wonderful on a pita or with hummus or with labane.

It is indeed.

That's quite true, didn't the Japonese even try to lure the Jews who settled there into their territory?

I seem to recall reading an article about the Fugu plan...

Yup:

http://www.amazon.com/Fugu-Plan-Untold-Japanese-During/dp/083480350X

One of the more bizarre manifestations of post-war Japanese nationalism has been a rise in Japanese antisemitism, oddly enough.




I just don't know why you can't all get along like good Christians... (to quote, apocryphally ? an American diplomat in Cairo)

[Heraclitus]

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by molly bloom
It was only the Seleucid Empire ruled over by Antiochus.

a) do you see them around?

b) I quote myself from a page earlier:

the most famous confrontation between Greeks and Jews was the Maccabean Revolt of 167-164 B.C.E. The Seleucid king Antiochus IV imposed Greek religious customs [...]The Jewish revolt, led by the Hasmonean Judas Maccabee, defeated the Seleucid armies and recaptured the temple.

Let us not forget that the Soviet Union also set up a Jewish homeland/Soviet, and recognised the State of Israel.

regarding the 1st part - if you're talking about a jewish state in siberia it was part of the relocation plan pretext.
the recognition of israel was real politic, cause they thought we'd be pro-commies.

[Zevico]

and the soviet union, starting with stalin's doctors' trials,

My grandma was kicked out of medical school because of those. Then my aunt couldn't get in to medical school later on due to racism.