Chavez doesn't understand inflation

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Not merely that, something about enforcing existing laws, which means tossing all the illegals out of the country.

So, you support not enforcing existing laws?

Interestingly, I heard on NPR the other day that it was stricter enforcement that has led to a rise in illegal immigration. Back in the day, illegal immigrants would come for a little while, make some money, head back home and spend it, then come back. They left their families in Mexico and would travel to the U.S. three - four times a year. Now that it's so much harder to get in, they bring their families and settle here, since they can't keep going back and forth.

If they manage to bring their families then enforcement isn't really working, is it?

[Whoha]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
If the government would put in place a credible system to keep this problem from coming around again and getting worse as it did after the Reagan amnesty, I'd be more than willing to entertain notions of some sort of normalization provided some sort of punishment was exacted for breaking the law and they were put at the bottom of the citizenship pile.

If they apply to immigrate lawfully they are put at the bottom of said pile, and without any punishment being applied to them.

[DinoDoc]

That's very good. What does that have to do with what I posted?

[Whoha]

You'd support a government program that serves no purpose what so ever? that isn't very right wing of you.

[DinoDoc]

You're focusing on one part of what I said to the exclusion of the other.

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I never denied that though. Just wondering where he gets the far right label. I never pictured myself as your ideaological evil twin, che. Should I be plotting against you now?

To me you look like two exact opposites
In Belgium Dinodoc would probably be Vlaams Belang (ultra-rightwing nationalists), and Che ehm... regular communists I suppose? (although most Belgian communists are idiots; I rate Che a lot higher )

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Illegals aren't immigrants, che.

That's a strange definition you use. They leave one country and come to another; now on a permanent basis due to the actions of right wingers. They're immigrants all right.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You think Le Pen and DD don't have similar politics? Le Pen would be a run of the mill Republican.

Uhhh.... no.

and that's why we don't ask your opinion .

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by VetLegion
So, you support not enforcing existing laws?

Well, if they are immoral, then yes.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That's a strange definition you use.

Immigrants obey the law to come here.

[Arrian]

I thought redefining terms to suit your argument was poor form.

-Arrian

[DinoDoc]

That's always been my definition, Arrian. No redefining on my part.

Edit: The basis for the definition I use is found in the way we commonly define the word illegal. It means to be prohibitted by law. If someone isn't allowed by law to actually be in the country you claim they are an immigrant to, why should I consider them to be an immigrant?

[Arrian]

Because they took the action (leaving their country and settling here) that makes them immigrants. Legality has nothing to do with the definition.

-Arrian

[snoopy369]

Perhaps because redefining it that way removes a useful and descriptive term from use, that anyone with a fifth grade education can understand.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Arrian
Because they took the action (leaving their country and settling here) that makes them immigrants. Legality has nothing to do with the definition.

-Arrian

Yep. There is a reason the qualifier "illegal" is added in front of immigrants. They are immigrants, just a certain category of immigrants.

Defining them as not being immigrants because they have not immigrated legally is pretty silly.