Peter Jackson signs on for the Hobbit

[Lancer]

The ghosts saving Gondor blew chunks, and took away from the third movie.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Patroklos

Hell, its not like Elrond did **** to support the war effort in the first place.

Except honor a long-expired alliance by sending a continency of elven troops to Helms Deep.

[Patroklos]

Except honor a long-expired alliance by sending a continency of elven troops to Helms Deep.

That wasn't Elrod, nore is that in the book but rather something else Perterson made up.

Which really didn;'t matter, since all the elves did there was some stupid scychonized sword swipes and ONE volley of arrows before dieing to a man.

[Dis]

Is it me or were the Lord of the Rings movies just not that good? Dare I say they were overrated?

[Proteus_MST]

IMHO they are very good if you don´t expect a 1:1 transfer from Tolkiens books to the screen.
If you expect this you can only get disapponted.


They´re hhowever the best Lord of the Ring Movies that are out there to date.

[Patroklos]

Did any of you see that version where they put animation over live action. I saw it when I was really little, and only realized that was what I had seen when I picked the books back up as a young teenager.

Was that version any good?

[Proteus_MST]

That�s the only other LotR - Version aside from Peter Jacksons movies.

IMHO it is nice (with a well done Moria Scene, Gimli reads the diary and just as he is at "drums, drums from the Deep" the drumming sets in ), and especially suited for bringing young people nearer to LotR (and it was sad that they didn�t try the other 2 books) but nothing compared to Jacksons movies.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Did any of you see that version where they put animation over live action. I saw it when I was really little, and only realized that was what I had seen when I picked the books back up as a young teenager.

Was that version any good?

Yes, the Ralph Bakshi 1970s LotR. Aside from being unfinished (no funding to finish it, I believe) the medium used was a poor choice. Having said that, I prefer how that version handled many scenes from the book - in some cases, it was vastly superior. If you are a true fan of the books, you will enjoy that version. If you are simply a semi-enthusiastic fan of the movies (IOW, a nitwit) you will probably dismiss it after 5 minutes.

Also, the BBC Radio Dramatization was wonderful.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Verto
Also, the BBC Radio Dramatization was wonderful.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Patroklos

No she doesn't. Aragorn was the rightful hier to the thrown of Gondor regardless of who he married. Gondor would have accepted his authority. Not only that, but Aragorn became king AFTER Sauron was defeated.

Aragorn was the rightful heir, as was his father, and his father before him. The notion that RIGHT NOW, at this point, the line of the North should attempt to restore the kingship, is a confluence of many factors, of which the reunification of the lines of the half-elven is a huge piece.

So as far as the LotR was concerned, Arwen is irrelevant to the plot or the outcome of that plot. For the greater Tolkien mythology sure she has some ancilary relevance, but orders of magnitude less than hundreds of other characters in the Silm.

If Aragorn didn't marry Aragorn, so what? Sauron is gone, Gondor is restored, the elves are fading anyways. Sure it rounds out some lose ends, but who cares?

Its not clear if Aragorn would have even had the oomph to have gotten that far without the goal of the kingship, and the marriage to Arwen.

Yes I do, which is exactly the point. Here we have the most courageous warriers of all races, the most wise and powerful wizard of the land, and they struggle and almost don't make it to Lothlorien from Rivendel.

So since Arwen is definetly seen at Lothlorien in the books, and you guys say she was at Rivendell, how did she make the journey over the same ground at the same time? Sauron was already scouring those regions looking for the ring party, I doubt less qualified Arwen would escape the attention of his forces, nor do I think adding the daughter of the most powerful Elven king to his rape dungeons would have not interested him.

Maybe she decided to take the Red Eye into Lorien, I hear they have discouted tickets on the weekdays seeing how poor tourism is during Ring Wars.

Sauron knew the ring was on the road from the Shire to Rivendell, he wouldnt have been looking for a party going from Lorien to Rivendell - he then looked for the fellowship, cause he was waiting for the ring to leave Rivendell.

Also, since Arwen was in Rivendell when or shortly after Frodo arrives, she must have come in the autumn, not the winter, so she would have had an easier trip. Also, she was probably escorted by her brothers, who are two of the great elven warriors of the age - she wouldnt have been alone.

I think you vastly overestimate the difficulty of travel. The problems of the Fellowship are unique to the fellowship. Remember also, that Elves can blend into nature and become almost invisible, and will have advantages traveling incognito, if necessary.

In any case, take it up with JRRT, since Arwen is definitely present at Rivendell in the books. Maybe you think PJ should have deviated more from the books?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Patroklos


If she is, Tolkien loses story telling points.

You lose Tolkien geek points for repeatedly getting this wrong. I suggest you surrender, while quarter is still being given

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Patroklos

http://www.glyphweb.com/Arda/default.asp?url=http://www.glyphweb.com/Arda/g/gondor.html

She wasn't there. Here character in the movie is eniterly made up by Perterson. Arwen is simply a lady in waiting, nothing more.

http://www.tuckborough.net/arwen.html

"Elrond called Arwen back to Rivendell in 3009 when the Misty Mountains and the lands in the east grew dangerous. In October of 3018, Aragorn and Arwen were briefly reunited when he returned to Rivendell with Frodo Baggins, but two months later Aragorn left with Frodo on his quest. In Lothlorien, Aragorn received from Galadriel the Elessar, or Elfstone, that had been left there for him by Arwen. "

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Honestly, besides being a hot piece of ass, what does Arwen have to do with the high level politics of Men? The elves were fading anyways, so why even worry about an alliance with Elrond AFTER the war? Hell, its not like Elrond did **** to support the war effort in the first place. All elves for that matter.

Gad, you lose yet another Tolkien Geek point. if youve ever read the appendixes, youd know that Rivendell sent forces to help defend the lonely mountain and dale from mordor aligned forces striking north - and there are repeated attacks by orcs on Lorien.

Now this may show poor generalship on the part of Sauron (he has internal lines, he should be concentrating all his force on Minis Tirith, not sending against folks too far away to aid Minis Tirith - but I suppose the response is Sauron doesnt know for sure where the ring is)

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Patroklos


That wasn't Elrod, nore is that in the book but rather something else Perterson made up.

Which really didn;'t matter, since all the elves did there was some stupid scychonized sword swipes and ONE volley of arrows before dieing to a man.

Synchronized sword swipes? I think youre confusing the battle that ended the second age, with the battle of Helms Deep.

[Patroklos]

Synchronized sword swipes? I think youre confusing the battle that ended the second age, with the battle of Helms Deep.

Nope. After watching whatever the elven commander name is retardedly tell his troops to hold their arrow fire until every advandage of ranged weapons became useless (Perterson is a ****ing ******), the elves stand in a line and let the Orcs crash into them. After one beautifully sychronized sword swipe their formation disolves and the elves are slaughtered, having accomplished absoutely nothing.

Which I suppose isn't a bad thing since Jackson completely made their presence there up. So them having absolutely zero impact on the plot is actually a blessing.