Father murders daughter who refuses to wear hijab...in Canada

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

And I could discuss how sometimes gays are beaten and killed after telling their parents too. But that's not the topic in this thread, so why try to force it.

Well actually that would be quite on topic, given that the policies to deal with the problem are remarkably similar.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
No one whined about Judaism. LOTM made a token joke related to both Judaism and the thread topic. You were an ass about it, as you are wont to be, and completely changed the topic of the thread.

His "token joke" involved Jews and Ovens. Can you imagine if I had made that joke? I didn't want to bring that up before, but come on.

LOTM knows damn well I hate when he discusses Judaism at EVERY single opportunity. He knew what he was doing, don't act like I blindsided him.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Well actually that would be quite on topic, given that the policies to deal with the problem are remarkably similar.

I disagree, because while it is a related problem it is not the problem we are discussing. That's the distinction you need to learn to draw.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Asher
LOTM knows damn well I hate when he discusses Judaism at EVERY single opportunity. He knew what he was doing, don't act like I blindsided him.

Kid knows damn well I hate when he discusses, well, anything, but he KEEPS DOING IT OMG.

LOTM isn't doing anything against the rules or out of line, so, deal.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Cause, you know, teens get killed for things that have nothing to do with religion, doncha know)

By psychotic parents or relatives, maybe. The story here suggests the Dad was kind and loving ... until his daughter refused to wear a veil.

[Kuciwalker]

Dad seems pretty psychotic to me.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Allow me to rephrase that.

In which other religions are family members murdered for not wearing veils or for renouncing their religion?

Is it clear that what happened here was intentional murder, or a beating/fight that got out of hand. I say that NOT to excuse what happened, but for the sake of comparison to other communities. Id be very surprised if there werent beatings that occured in other communities over similar issues. I say THAT because I know that child/spousal abuse is a problem in EVERY community, (secularists not excepted) and id imagine that where it takes place, the subject matter is whatever sets that particular abuser off.

If someone beats his kid for, say, bashing the family car, do we talk about the need for mass transit, or do we try to address the problem of abuse?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Kid knows damn well I hate when he discusses, well, anything, but he KEEPS DOING IT OMG.

LOTM isn't doing anything against the rules or out of line, so, deal.

Threadjacking is against the rules, and I think discussing jokes involving Jews and Ovens is also probably against the rules.

So was your attack in your first post in this thread.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


By psychotic parents or relatives, maybe. The story here suggests the Dad was kind and loving ... until his daughter refused to wear a veil.

Lots of abusers are "nice guys/gals" on the outside, not obvious pschos.

[Kuciwalker]

1) LOTM didn't jack the thread.

2) you know full well those jokes have to be taken in context, and in this context they're fine

3) My post didn't jack the thread either, given that it was a direct response to one of yours.

[Asher]

Kuci, while I enjoy your attempts to argue on my level -- knock it off. You can take it to PM if you want to argue discussing Jews in a thread about Muslim violence in Toronto is on topic. I'd be happy to dismantle you there as well as here.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

Threadjacking is against the rules, and I think discussing jokes involving Jews and Ovens is also probably against the rules.

Cause of course I invented the notion of Jewish mothes committing suicide by sticking their heads in ovens. Or of making jokes about it.

Woody Allen:

"N.Y.U.

I used to go to New York University a long time ago, which is in Greenwich Village, that's where I started, and I was, ah, in love in my freshman year, but I did not marry the first girl that I fell in love with, because there was a tremendous religious conflict, at the time. She was an atheist, and I was an agnostic, y'know. We didn't know which religion not to bring the children up in. And I bummed around for a long time, and I met my wife, and we got married against my parents' wishes, we were married in Long Island, in New York, we were married by a reformed rabbi in Long Island, a very reformed rabbi, a nazi.

It was a very nice affair, y'know, really good, and right after the wedding, my wife started turning weird. She went to Hunter College, and she got into the philosophy department at Hunter, and she started dressing with black clothes and no make-up, and leotards, y'know, and she pierced her ears one day with a conducters punch, y'know. And she used to involve me in deep philosophical arguments, and then prove I didn't exist, y'know...infuriating. And I had to let her go, was what happened, and I had to tell my parents about it. And my parents are what you used to call 'old world'. My parents come from Brooklyn, which is the heart of the old world. They're very stable down-to-earth people, who, ah, don't approve of divorce. Their, their...their values in life are God and carpeting.

I came home on a sunday, this was a long time ago, my father's watching television sunday night, he's watching Ed Sullivan Show, on television, he's watching the Indiana Home for the Criminally Insane Glee Club on the Ed Sullivan Show. And my mother is in the corner, knitting a chicken, y'know. And I'd said that I would have to get a divorce, my mother put down her knitting, and she got up, and she went over to the furnace, and she opened the door, and she got in. Took it rather badly, I felt. "

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

I disagree, because while it is a related problem it is not the problem we are discussing. That's the distinction you need to learn to draw.

If two problems are very similar, and have identical solutions, it certainly makes sense to discuss them together.

"OMG, Christians create air pollution by driving to church on Sunday - Dont post anything about driving, or air pollution, unless it involves Christians, cause Im the OP and I say so"

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

"OMG, Christians create air pollution by driving to church on Sunday - Dont post anything about driving, or air pollution, unless it involves Christians, cause Im the OP and I say so"

If that is the topic, why should anything else be discussed in the thread?

Mind if I ask you just what you think the "thread topic" means? You seem to think it means nothing.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Is it clear that what happened here was intentional murder, or a beating/fight that got out of hand. I say that NOT to excuse what happened, but for the sake of comparison to other communities. Id be very surprised if there werent beatings that occured in other communities over similar issues. I say THAT because I know that child/spousal abuse is a problem in EVERY community, (secularists not excepted) and id imagine that where it takes place, the subject matter is whatever sets that particular abuser off.

If someone beats his kid for, say, bashing the family car, do we talk about the need for mass transit, or do we try to address the problem of abuse?

So you see this as a case of regular child abuse that got out-of-hand, and nothing really to do with Islam - rather than another manifestation of certain muslims deciding that dealing out death or strong violence is the answer to the problem of a person that has offended their sensibilities.