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  • #61
    Because every time he does it, it turns into a threadjack with the same couple people having inane back-and-forths about it. It pollutes the thread and it's not wanted in this thread. Ignore lists solve nothing.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Lorizael
      Great. Now discuss those things.

      LOTM mentioning Judaism does not stop you from making points about those subjects. If you make good points, or interesting points, or crazy points then people will respond and there will be discussion.

      If all you do is whine about how Judaism is corrupting your thread, those things you want to discuss won't get discussed. Get it?
      It's not all I do, I've tried to get the discussion going again but LOTM and his possee have decided to continue to ruin the thread until they can get their way and discuss how Judaism is both interesting and relevant here. Perhaps I'll start a new thread tomorrow with a specific disclaimer. Or in all of my threads.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #63
        Jew.
        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Ramo
          Fundies
          This is about Islam, not fundies in general. Which other religions murders family members for not wearing veils or for renouncing their religion?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Caligastia
            I've heard that this sort of thing happens fairly regularly in the U.K.
            Define "fairly regularly?"
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #66
              Update: The girl has died, and father formally charged with murder: http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/284350

              Dad charged in teen's death

              A 16-year-old girl is dead and her father has been charged with murder after an attack in a Mississauga home.

              Aqsa Parvez, a student at Applewood Heights Secondary School, had been on life support in hospital since yesterday morning.

              Police went to the family's two-storey home on Longhorn Trail about 8 a.m. yesterday after receiving a 911 call in which a man allegedly claimed to have killed his daughter.

              Paramedics found Aqsa with a faint pulse and rushed her to hospital. She was later transferred to a Toronto hospital and placed on life support.

              Peel police said this morning that she died overnight.

              Friends at the victim’s school said she feared her father and had argued over her desire to shun the hijab, a traditional shoulder-length head scarf worn by females in devout Muslim families.

              Homicide investigators had been standing by, as it soon became clear the young girl wouldn't survive the attack.

              Muhammad Parvez, 57, has been remanded in custody and was to make his first court appearance today in a Brampton court.

              The victim's brother, 26-year-old Waqas Parvez, was also arrested on a charge of obstructing police.

              Neighbours described the family as very private and said several members from three generations have lived in the two-storey home, near Hurontario St. and Eglinton Ave., for just over two years.

              School chums say Aqsa had been arguing with her family for months over whether she should wear the hijab.

              Pal Ebonie Mitchell, 16, and other friends said Aqsa still wore the hijab to school last year, but rebelled against dressing in it this fall.

              They said she would leave home wearing the traditional garment and loose clothing, but would often change into tighter garments at school.

              She would change back for the bus trip home.

              "Sometimes she even changed her whole outfit in the washroom at school," Mitchell said.

              The teen was known to her classmates and Facebook friends as Axa. She posted several pictures of herself on the website in colourful clothes and accessories.

              At Aqsa's high school, friends gathered in groups yesterday, struggling to come to grips with what happened and lamenting how she had quarrelled with her father to the point that she recently moved out to live with a friend.

              "She said she was always scared of her dad, she was always scared of her brother ... and she's not scared of nobody," said classmate Ashley Garbutt, 16.

              "She didn't want to go home ... to the point where she actually wanted to go to shelters."

              Friends said the root of her problems was a desire to blend in with friends at school, to wear the fashionable clothes she liked to buy on trips to Toronto's garment district, where she went with friends just last month.

              "She liked fashion," said Mitchell. "We went to different stores; she was shopping; she bought lots of clothes."

              "She loved clothes, she loved shopping and she loved taking pictures of herself," classmate Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, 16, said outside the school as friends sobbed at the news.

              "She just wanted to show her beauty. She just wanted freedom, freedom from her parents."

              "She just wanted to dress like us, just like a normal person," said Holmes-Thompson.

              "She was a very kind person, she was really nice; everybody loved her."

              Friend Shianne Phillips, 16, said she last spoke with Aqsa on Friday.

              "She was crying and she was like ‘I'm really scared to go home. I don't know what I'm going to do.' And that was it," Phillips said.


              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Asher

                Define "fairly regularly?"

                Police are re-examining more than 100 murders in England and Wales they suspect could be so-called honour killings, it has emerged.
                BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service



                See also link in post #11 (also quoted in post #39).

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Asher
                  Discussing Judaism is pretty ****ing far down the list here.
                  Ive had personal exposure to religious fundamentalists pressuring females on how to dress, and many other things, and its been, on and off, an important issue in my life.

                  Im sorry thats not what you want to talk about, but to talk about whats happening in the muslim community without relating it to experiences in my own life and the lives of those dear to me (thank God, not violent experiences) is artificial.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #69
                    Supposedly Honor Killings and forced marriage are more defined as a cultural phenomenon from the Mideast and south Asia rather then a religious phenomenon. Some Hindus or Assyrian Christians do the same thing but clearly most of the people who do the honor killings or forced marriages are Muslim just because most people in that region are Muslim.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Cort Haus


                      This is about Islam, not fundies in general. Which other religions murders family members for not wearing veils or for renouncing their religion?
                      she was murdered by Islam? I thought she was murdered by her dad?
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Lorizael
                        Alright everybody, only talk about crazy Muslims and their honor killings.

                        Raise your hand if you support what the father did.

                        ...

                        Okay. Now what do we talk about?
                        How about how to stop it?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by lord of the mark
                          Im sorry thats not what you want to talk about, but to talk about whats happening in the muslim community without relating it to experiences in my own life and the lives of those dear to me (thank God, not violent experiences) is artificial.
                          And I could discuss how sometimes gays are beaten and killed after telling their parents too. But that's not the topic in this thread, so why try to force it.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Asher
                            You're wrong, Vesayen began rambling about LOTM's "aside" comment -- this is the definition of a threadjack. Look it up.


                            Vesayen doesn't count. He pollutes any thread he posts in.

                            This thread has nothing to do with Judaism. If you want to whine about Judaism, do it elsewhere. I don't know how much clearer I need to be about this.


                            No one whined about Judaism. LOTM made a token joke related to both Judaism and the thread topic. You were an ass about it, as you are wont to be, and completely changed the topic of the thread.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by lord of the mark
                              she was murdered by Islam? I thought she was murdered by her dad?
                              Allow me to rephrase that.

                              In which other religions are family members murdered for not wearing veils or for renouncing their religion?

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Cort Haus


                                How about how to stop it?
                                A. Punish the murderer according to the law
                                B. Establish safe houses for teens afraid to go home (oh wait, doesnt Canada already have anything like that House of Ruth, that sort of thing? Cause, you know, teens get killed for things that have nothing to do with religion, doncha know)
                                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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