Women want to be sluts without being called sluts.

[Dinner]

Good show.

Women 'want no-strings sex'
5:00AM Saturday December 08, 2007
By Simon Collins
Pante'a Farvid and Melanie Beres. Photo / Richard Robinson

Pante'a Farvid and Melanie Beres. Photo / Richard Robinson

Two young women researchers are calling for a new form of sexual ethics that would allow women to have casual sex without feeling that they're "sluts".

They say the popular view of women as either promiscuous or passive victims has failed to reduce incidents of rape and sexual assault.

Instead, they want both women and men to think about what each of them really wants out of a sexual encounter, and negotiate how to get it.

Canadian sociologist Melanie Beres, a post-doctoral researcher at Auckland University, and Auckland doctoral student Pantea Farvid told a sociology conference yesterday that rape prevention efforts should stop just giving women tips to avoid harm and promote an ethic of "self-care and care for the other".

Dr Beres interviewed young Canadians aged 19 to 25 about their casual sex experiences, while Ms Farvid interviewed New Zealanders in the same age bracket. The New Zealand women were more likely to have actively initiated casual sex, whereas the Canadians were more likely to say it "just happened". Drink was used by some as an excuse for their choices.

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Studies have shown New Zealanders start sex younger than in many countries and have high rates of teen pregnancies and STDs. By the age of 25, 13 per cent of women have had more than 10 sexual partners.

Dr Beres said some women deliberately challenged society's "double standard" that said casual sex was okay for men. One woman in her study took the initiative in sexual encounters and another had decided that a serious relationship would hinder her career, so she sought casual sex to meet her physical needs.

Ms Farvid said a more open approach to sex would move away from the legal idea that the only issue in sexual morality was consent.

In some highly publicised group sex cases, men had escaped conviction because of doubts over consent. But on the basis of care for oneself and others, it would be unethical to have "four men in a room with a woman".
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[Darius871]

What in particular can they "call for"? It's not like this will be the subject of legislation or anything.

In any event, more power to 'em

[Wernazuma III]

Ms Farvid said a more open approach to sex would move away from the legal idea that the only issue in sexual morality was consent.

In some highly publicised group sex cases, men had escaped conviction because of doubts over consent. But on the basis of care for oneself and others, it would be unethical to have "four men in a room with a woman".

Is it

a) my bad English
b) a stupid journalist
c) a stupid researcher

that prevents me from understanding what this bit at all.

Most of the sentences in the article seem to be random pieces of information that are logically isolated instead of making a point.

[Nostromo]

Good luck, ladies. The double-standard is there to stay, methinks.

[Zkribbler]

Me thinks the reporter was coming quickly up against the deadline and was typing as quickly as possible without regards to how incoherent the sentences were becoming.

[Elok]

It is indeed unconscionable to have four men in the room with one woman. What a sausage-fest. Either go gay all the way or inject some estrogen into the room, but none of this tokenism.

[Riesstiu IV]

If they don't want to be called sluts then will whores do just as well?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Me thinks the reporter was coming quickly up against the deadline and was typing as quickly as possible without regards to how incoherent the sentences were becoming.

I suspect it's these "researchers" who are incoherent.

[Zkribbler]

The error in Oerdin's thread title is his misuse of the word "sluts."

A slut is a woman who doesn't much care whom she has sex with. The women in the article are merely saying that they wish to be sexually active without necessarily being tied to a husband or a fiance.

I'll bet the vast majority of these women will still be picky (to a greater or lesser degree). After all, how many of us are truely spongeworthy?

[Dis]

This is why Las Vegas is here. For women to come here and have a good time. What happens in Vegas would look very cool on video. Too bad none of those women coming to vegas aren't sleeping with me, but they are getting laid here.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Dis
Too bad none of those women coming to vegas aren't sleeping with me

You must be exhausted.

[Pekka]

Well, if someone calls you a slut, it can be an insult. So even if you are a slut, maybe you don't want to be called one. It's not one of those "well you are so I call you one", because it's an insult.

It's like calling gay people fags with disgusted tone. Even though they are gays, it's not like many would like to be called fags with that tone, because it's an insult, and it's a bigger stereotype with negative stuff in it, as if you being gay means that you also inherit these other features attached to fagdom.

So I don't see why women should like being called sluts, even if they act slutty. Depends on the context, I can totally see how some women do like to be called sluts, in a sexual context, but some random dude saying "you're a slut". THat's an insult. I'm insulted if some douchebag calls me by my first name and it's not a time to get friendly. Let alone being called slut.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by LordShiva
You must be exhausted.

We should rush there to help him out! What else are friends for?

[Dis]

Originally posted by LordShiva


You must be exhausted.

I never claimed to be an English major.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Dis
This is why Las Vegas is here. For women to come here and have a good time. What happens in Vegas would look very cool on video. Too bad none of those women coming to vegas aren't sleeping with me, but they are getting laid here.

BTW: One of the local Indian casinos has a great TV commercial:

Door bell rings. Man answers the door. Hoochie babe throws herself into his arms: "I found you! I found you!" Wife comes wandering out from the back of the house, looking puzzled and somewhat cross. Narrator: "Sometimes what goes on in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas."