If we had more guns, the Omaha mall shooting may not have happened

[Blake]

The motive of someone who flips out and kills then suicides is inspired ultimately by a sense of helplessness and worthlessness, they want to leave an undeniable mark on the world which says "I was there!", rather than just fading into oblivion. They don't want to fade, so they don't want to be jailed. They want to leave their mark on the world then get the hell out. Go out with a bang.

Someone who does not feel (deep inside) that they are worthless, will not commit such an act.

I am sick of being submissive to the world, I want to assert myself just once!


It's not really correct to say "Control". Someone is motivated by control and wishes to do so in a criminal way would be more likely to for example take hostages or engage in kidnapping. Certainly, they don't want themselves to be controlled so they'd likely commit suicide rather than be captured by the police, but someone who simply goes around shooting people in the head does not want power over their victims. Unless they are a necromancer.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Yes, but the casinos are all owned by either organized crime or the Mormons. No one in their right mind would tangle with either group.

Who would be scared of mormons? And the mob is no longer in our city . Everything is owned by big corporations. Who would be scared of a little ole' corporation?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Wezil

LAS VEGAS - Six junior high or high school students were shot Tuesday after they left a school bus and two were critically hurt, police said.

Gunshots rang out in northeastern Las Vegas just before 2 p.m. local time, Officer Bill Cassell said. Six young people were transported to area hospitals. Four had minor gunshot injuries and two were in critical condition, Cassell said.

At least two people are believed to have taken part in the shootings, he said. Police were not saying whether the shooting suspects were on foot or in a vehicle.

The school bus had left from Mojave high school earlier, said Clark County School District spokesman Michael Rodriguez. The school was expected to open Wednesday with extra security measures and support services, he said.

The shooting occurred near two elementary schools, Woolley and Clyde Cox elementary schools. Rodriguez said both were locked down temporarily but were reopened before 3 p.m.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/20...719510-ap.html

this isn't a random shooting. This was over a girl. They just happened to hit others because the ******* was using an automatic weapon and they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The simple solution would be to eliminate women.

[Wezil]

Wasn't "random"?

Okay, no problem then. Carry on.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Dis




The simple solution would be to eliminate women.

You are aware that eliminating women is the approach used by most serial killers

[Tattila the Hun]

I'd fear of getting caught in the crossfire between the lunatic and the people also carrying...

[Igloodude]

Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
I'd fear of getting caught in the crossfire between the lunatic and the people also carrying...

I carry on a regular basis and I frequent a couple web forums where half the posters carry on a regular basis. As you can imagine, any murder like the Omaha mall or VT events get close scrutiny. The general consensus is that most would (like everyone else) seek immediate cover when someone started shooting nearby, and then evaluate the situation, and if they had a clear shot at the person shooting the place up, they'd take it. I don't think people predicting bloodbaths between a murderer and a bunch of CCW types think the situation through enough, or are just unfamiliar with the mindset one is in when carrying a concealed weapon around. There's a realization that the guy pointing a gun at someone else or the fellow holding down a woman that's screaming rape could be plainclothes policemen doing their job. The weapon is for personal defense, not community policing. Mass-murder happening nearby with no police arriving yet is about the only thing any of the CCW holders I've talked to have conceded will take them out of a purely "self- and loved-ones defense only" mode, and only half of them even then. Sure, if there's a guy that is shooting up a mall, odds are good that he's going to take (or has taken) a shot at you, or at any rate you can be 100% certain that anyone shooting at large numbers of random people deserves to be stopped with deadly force. But I think it would be pretty obvious difference between one guy engaging lots of targets, and one or more guys focusing on a single target. And even if you presume that the CCW types would be engaging each other, they're only shooting at other people holding guns - they're not going to be deliberating shooting at anyone not holding a gun; only the original murderer is doing that, and with at least one or two people shooting at him, he's very likely too distracted to stick with the original mission. And in any case the alternative is what, to wait for the whackjob to run out of ammunition? Because the police generally haven't shown up in time to materially affect the outcome of these events.

And we can debate gun ownership forever, both sides have their points to make, but if you're going to allow gun ownership, it makes sense to be fairly liberal with concealed carry of those guns. Every one of these "shoot the place up" murders since Columbine (with one exception, linked to below) has been in an area where concealed carry is not allowed. Concealed carry permit-holders have better records with respect to committing violent crimes than police do, and considerably better than the general public (in Texas and Florida where they tracked the statistics, at any rate). Indeed, in Vermont and Alaska one can carry a concealed firearm without any permit at all. Posting a sign saying "no guns allowed" is one of the dumber things I've ever seen - the fellows that take the law seriously will obey it, and the whackjobs intent on murder will laugh at it.

People conveniently forget about this one:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-02-12-utah-mall-shooting_x.htm

[Dis]

Originally posted by Dis


this isn't a random shooting. This was over a girl. They just happened to hit others because the ******* was using an automatic weapon and they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The simple solution would be to eliminate women.

I'm quoting myself, as I was wrong- actually the news was wrong, and I was quoting them. I'm never wrong.

Turns out it wasn't over an argument for a woman, but racial tensions between mexican and black gangs.

[Wezil]

...and it was most certainly a random shooting from the POV of most of those hit.