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  • If we had more guns, the Omaha mall shooting may not have happened

    At least it MAY not have happened, how it did.

    I will raise a hypothetical, similar to the one I raised when that college campus was shot up earlier in the year. Suppose we had less strict gun control and more people carried handguns on their person.

    For those of you who are unaware, some lunatic in Omaha shot up a mall with an assault rifle, 8 killed, many injured.

    Also earlier in the year, some lunatic at a college campus shot up the campus and killed a bunch of people.

    Assume there are 1,000 people in the mall, this is not unreasonable by any means for the holiday season, in fact, I am probably lowballing it, it could be significantly higher, maybe even 3,000 or 4,000 depending on the size of the mall and the time of day.

    1. So assume 1,000 people in the mall.

    2. Assume the jurisdiction this mall is in allows concealed handguns and they are not difficult at all to get, legally.

    3. Assume 5% of the people in the mall are packing which seems like a reasonable number, so 50 consumers with firearms.

    A lunatic is running around the mall shooting people and you have 50 people in the mall with guns, you don't think one of those 50 people will have the motivation, the will and the ability to shoot them?

    Beyond consumers, if guns were more readily available, you don't think mall security would be packing as well? Mall guards are not armed because our society does not allow them to be, either by law, or by general social custom, we don't "want" them to be armed.

    If more people had handguns then it seems pretty likely either a consumer in the mall or some security guard would of stopped the gunman in omaha before he killed 8 people.

    One of the biggest lies spread by the anti gun crowd is that more guns means more shooting. This is demonstratably wrong, countries where every house has a gun, like Switzerland, have some of the lowest gun crime occurrences in the entire world.

    The solution to this problem is not less guns and more restrictive laws, it is more guns and less restrictive laws.

    The criminal element will have them no matter what.

    No law can control the mentally deranged as they don’t obey laws.

    Who are we restricting access to guns? Honest citizens who could protect us from the first two categories.

  • #2
    Shut up.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #3
      Also, with guns, you can shoot forum trolls such as Asher and I think we can all agree that is a good thing.

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      • #4
        I could do with less of your insane posts, and more of mine.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          3/10
          Unbelievable!

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          • #6
            I am not joking in the least, I am entirley serious. I said the same thing when that college campus got shot up about what, 7 months ago?

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            • #7
              Which is why I said shut up. We get it, you're bat**** crazy.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                We don't arm our police officers here usually and I can still go shopping with no fear of getting shot.
                Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                -Richard Dawkins

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                • #9
                  And we can do the same thing in the states, how many times do I need to worry about getting shot when I go shopping?

                  The difference here however is, for that one out of a million time where some lunatic goes nuts in a public place, the damage can be minimized.

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                  • #10
                    The "one out of a million" times increases dramatically the more guns people can have. Duh.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Vesayen
                      And we can do the same thing in the states, how many times do I need to worry about getting shot when I go shopping?

                      The difference here however is, for that one out of a million time where some lunatic goes nuts in a public place, the damage can be minimized.
                      Apparently one in a million times more often than I have to worry about getting shot while buying discount clothes.

                      Our lunatics just drink themselves to death, talk to themselves or get put in the House of Lords. Sometimes all three.
                      Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                      -Richard Dawkins

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                      • #12
                        Not at all.

                        Criminals and the deranged cannot be controlled by laws. Criminals ignore them, the insane as well, if they want guns, they can go get them.

                        The rest of us are no more likley to shoot anyone just because we have a gun. If I give you a gun, are you any more likley to shoot someone then before? You may be able to, but that does not mean that your willingess to shoot anyone has changed at all.

                        There are also numerous studies which show that areas with high gun ownership have less home breakins, though while some of those studies are laughable, some are well done.

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                        • #13
                          The rest of us are no more likley to shoot anyone just because we have a gun.


                          Are you ****ing kidding me?

                          I have no gun. I cannot shoot someone. QED.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #14
                            You are taking two seperate measurments and combining them.

                            This is a mistake.

                            X = have gun(1) or not have a gun(0)
                            Y = willingess for an individual to fire a gun
                            Z = odds of a person shooting a gun

                            The equation then is X * Y = Z

                            If you do not have a gun then the equation is, for most people: 0 * 0 = 0.

                            If you do have a gun then the equation is, for most people:

                            1 * 0 = 0.

                            The odds of anyone shooting anyone unjustly is still, 0.

                            Giving you a gun does not make you any more willing to fire it, it simply means, you have a gun.

                            The difference between the two however is that you can be protected from criminals and the odd lunatic, while also enjoying a society with less crime. When a burglar knows a neighbor has lots of guns, they are must less likley to break into a house. When a mugger knows 5% of a city is packing heat, they will think twice before trying to steal someones wallet.

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                            • #15
                              Give guns to every pissed tramp, junkie, pilled-up soccer mom, angry nutter and alienated loner and watch the bodies pile up.

                              And don't pretend that the normal people would outweigh these people. Normal people don't get tooled up to go shopping.

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