If we had more guns, the Omaha mall shooting may not have happened

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly I don't think shooters give a thought to "resistance" -- because they don't have to..... anyplace a shooter opened fire would offer no resistance, save only the local police station.

That partially my point, these shooters are exposing our vulnerabilities so I favor more police presense and more security. Are you saying you favor the status quo? Don't bother posting about magically making all guns in the world disappear because I think someone's unicorn already got shot for that. .

High body counts are so 'Virginia Tech', storming a police station, wow, that'll make you famous! (btw this is just a joke so if anyones offended unwad your panties please.)

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly There's simply no evidence that these guys take the question of "resistance" into account when they go on their sprees, and your efforts to deduce that based on their choice of locations is making William of Occam cry.

Don't cry Willy, It's not my fault Rufus can't see that most succesful criminals are familiar with their targets either through 'casing' the area or everyday knowledge and strike when they are least likely to encounter resistance.

[Elok]

Most successful criminals are motivated by pragmatic concerns such as profit, and plan to live on comfortably with the money they steal or other ill-gotten gains. The criminals in question are psychos who kill scads of people with no logical, discernible motive, then paint the walls with their own brains. Bit of a difference.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Originally posted by Krill
...What is the most amount of people someone has killed in a spree without a gun?

To be pedantic, I think the worst civilian spree of all time was in the U.S. (surprise surprise) where the guy was not armed with a gun but did have some explosives including grenades. I think the death toll was somewhere in the 60s.

Technically not a gun.

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Elok
The criminals in question are psychos who kill scads of people with no logical, discernible motive , then paint the walls with their own brains. Bit of a difference.

I thought it was almost universally accepted here that their motive was fame?

Wezil, Elok's off the reservation.

I agree they are psychos, but they also plan these attacks ahead of time, then carry their attacks out as planned, and they are very succesful in that respect whether you agree or not. Maybe you think I'm giving them too much credit in their planning? I think they aren't getting enough credit.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not a fan of their work. But so far their methods are effectively bypassing society's efforts to stop them.

All I'm arguing for here is more police and security. I'm frankly amazed by people arguing against that.

[DirtyMartini]

I'd rather run the 0.000000000000000000000001% risk that I'll die in a murder-suicide spree in a mall than have to fund/tolerate police armed with assault rifles evenly spaced every 300 yards across the nation.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by uberloz


I thought it was almost universally accepted here that their motive was fame?

Wezil, Elok's off the reservation.

I agree they are psychos, but they also plan these attacks ahead of time, then carry their attacks out as planned, and they are very succesful in that respect whether you agree or not. Maybe you think I'm giving them too much credit in their planning? I think they aren't getting enough credit.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not a fan of their work. But so far their methods are effectively bypassing society's efforts to stop them.

All I'm arguing for here is more police and security. I'm frankly amazed by people arguing against that.

You are suprised that I don't want to see more armed authority figures?

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by DirtyMartini
I'd rather run the 0.000000000000000000000001% risk that I'll die in a murder-suicide spree in a mall than have to fund/tolerate police armed with assault rifles evenly spaced every 300 yards across the nation.

I'd rather have citizens arm themselves responisbly then pay for police to be spaced out every 300 yards. That is one of the whole points of citizens arming themselves. There aren't enough police to protect us and the only way there would be is if it were a police state.

[DirtyMartini]

Originally posted by Deity Dude
I'd rather have citizens arm themselves responisbly then pay for police to be spaced out every 300 yards. That is one of the whole points of citizens arming themselves.

I'd rather have neither.
You can argue that more grannies toting Gloks would discourage muggings, carjackings, and home invasion, but I don't think it would discourage mall suicide sprees in any way whatsoever. With more concealed carry, you'd go from a 0.000000000000001% chance of dying in a mall shooting to a several orders of magnitude higher risk of dying in a road rage incident/case of mistaken identity/youth football officiating dispute.

There aren't enough police to protect us and the only way there would be is if it were a police state.

Originally posted by uberloz

All I'm arguing for here is more police and security. I'm frankly amazed by people arguing against that.

You may not be arguing for a police state, but I think uberloz is.

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Vesayen
You are suprised that I don't want to see more armed authority figures?

Well, I don't really know you but judging by this blurb you typed I guess I should say 'no' I'm not surprised... if that's really the only way you view police.

They are far more then just "armed authority figures" to me.

They represent a fine group of people willing to stand upon the castle walls and keep the wolves at bay.

Of course in any group there are going to be bad seeds, but the overwhelming majority are good people.

Originally posted by DirtiMartini You may not be arguing for a police state, but I think uberloz is.

Damn, I guess the jig is up!

Seriously though, that's a bit knee jerk. I just want more (and better trained) police and security on the street than what we have.

I happen to have aged beyond the point of blind distrust of police. They do far more good then harm.

They are regular people just like you and me. But they have an extremely difficult job to do that isn't made any easier by people's 'out of proportion' distrust of them.

[DirtyMartini]

Yeah, that was a bit tongue in cheek -- I didn't bring the term police state to the table, I just ran with it.

I am not opposed to more police officers hired. I just don't think mall suicide rampage prevention is an even remotely good argument for increasing police presence or arming mall security guards. I'll take my chances with the depressed nutjobs and instead worry about being killed by a drunk driver on the way home...now there's a reason to increase the number of police officers.

[Wezil]

What do you think their motive is Uberloz?

If you say "To kill as many people as possible" then tell me why? What's the end goal in their mind?

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Wezil
What do you think their motive is Uberloz?

Wow, what a great question.

I wish I could give you an answer that would satisfy your apparent need for understanding of their condition but I know I'm not smart enough for that.

I won't even pretend I'm right, because I'm just guessing.

My initial impulse is to say that, "it's because they are crazy as a ****house rat."

Which I believe is technically true, but I get the feeling that you would take that as a dodge.

So, what do I think their motive is...?

Control.

There is a great deal of power to be felt from having absolute control.

[Wezil]

The fact they often talk about going out in a "big way" couldn't be it?

[uberloz]

Originally posted by Wezil
The fact they often talk about going out in a "big way" couldn't be it?

Well, they know that on a day of their choosing they are going to be "the man" so to speak, and in control.

They won't have much opportunity to brag about that after they rage because they aren't planning to survive.

So, maybe they want a little taste of that feeling before they go?

[Riesstiu IV]

I never leave home without my AR-15 and 5 extra cartridges.